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bornlie
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01 Dec 2012, 4:24 pm

Jaden wrote:
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lies to protect a victim are generally agreed to be good (eg a Nazi asks you if you know where this one Jew is, and they're hiding in your basement).

Indeed, in the link I gave above, 72% of NT 11 years olds (they didn't ask adults this bit) said that lies were 'not always' bad.


I don't think we're talking about lying to save a human life or protect someone, that of course is acceptable because if we told a nazi where a jew was hiding, then we'd be responsible for the death of a human being, but lying for the sole purpose of deceiving another person, without a real need (if someone's life doesn't depend on it) is unequivocally wrong.

As for the 11 yr olds, were they also asked what an acceptable "lie" is? I bet they weren't, and the lack of that knowledge will lead them to believe that they decide what lies are right and wrong, just like half of society today, and that lack of real knowledge is why so many people think it's ok to lie.


exactly. thank you.



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01 Dec 2012, 6:28 pm

bornlie wrote:
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To me a lie implies done with intent. What you said to me that isn't true has to be intentional rather than mistaking or misinformed or false memory or because your point of view is wrong and that is how you see it or because their opinion is wrong and BS, or because their minds don't work right. I had a friend with DS who unintentionally lied but she didn't do it on purpose because she copied what people say. It was like echolalia. She pick up what she hear and repeat it like the time she said her dad died but what she meant was her grandfather died and she heard her mother say that about him. Plus her memories would collide and it be "My dad died in a car accident" when she meant her grandfather died and a man behind them rearended them. It be unfair to say she lies and makes stuff up because she doesn't do it on purpose. I took everything she said as a grain of salt.

Okay if someone said they were going to do something and then something else happened and it kept them from doing it, they didn't lie. It was unintentional. Now if they knew they were not going to do it and they said they were going to, then that be a lie. What if they simply forgot they said they were going to do it? Not a lie.

It someone has schizophrenia so they said things that were not true, they are not lying because they do believe they are true. Now if they made up something and pretended it was their hallucinations, then that be a lie.


so using this logic, Obama never lied.


What?


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01 Dec 2012, 6:40 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
bornlie wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
To me a lie implies done with intent. What you said to me that isn't true has to be intentional rather than mistaking or misinformed or false memory or because your point of view is wrong and that is how you see it or because their opinion is wrong and BS, or because their minds don't work right. I had a friend with DS who unintentionally lied but she didn't do it on purpose because she copied what people say. It was like echolalia. She pick up what she hear and repeat it like the time she said her dad died but what she meant was her grandfather died and she heard her mother say that about him. Plus her memories would collide and it be "My dad died in a car accident" when she meant her grandfather died and a man behind them rearended them. It be unfair to say she lies and makes stuff up because she doesn't do it on purpose. I took everything she said as a grain of salt.

Okay if someone said they were going to do something and then something else happened and it kept them from doing it, they didn't lie. It was unintentional. Now if they knew they were not going to do it and they said they were going to, then that be a lie. What if they simply forgot they said they were going to do it? Not a lie.

It someone has schizophrenia so they said things that were not true, they are not lying because they do believe they are true. Now if they made up something and pretended it was their hallucinations, then that be a lie.


so using this logic, Obama never lied.


What?



I was wondering the same thing.


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