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03 Dec 2012, 10:09 pm

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Honesty is unwelcome because everyone lives in their own fantasy bubble, not in reality.

You are threatening their whole world, because you are pointing out that their bubble isn't real when you say they can't cook, in their fantasy, they can cook wonderfully.

Countries have gone to war to defend their (often mistaken) opinions, so there is no doubt its a common theme of human nature.


Does it have to be that complicated or is complimenting someones cooking just a nice thing to do that says 'I like you'?

Consider that many people are their own worst critics and they already said to themselves this could be improved next time with more salt or less cooking time whatever.



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04 Dec 2012, 4:17 pm

If I don't like the Christmas gift you got me, I'm not going to sit here and write a thank you letter to the person telling them how much I love it. I'd rather be honest so the person knows better the next time.

And then people get upset. Why? You didn't know I wouldn't enjoy your gift. It's better you know now, then ask me about it later, and I already returned/regifted it.



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04 Dec 2012, 4:49 pm

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And then people get upset. Why? You didn't know I wouldn't enjoy your gift. It's better you know now, then ask me about it later, and I already returned/regifted it.


What is worse though is when you do tell them you don't like it yet they get you the same darned thing the next year! I GIVE UP! I tell people I am allergic to perfume just to stop them buying me smelly stuff at Christmas!

My biggest problem is telling people that what they said is silly then they take offence and assume I am talking about THEM. People baffle me...


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04 Dec 2012, 5:24 pm

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People are afraid of the truth and get upset with it because they can't handle the truth. Even aspies because we're all human. Plus the truth we may speak may not be the truth at all because it's our opinion and we are wrong with that opinion because we jumped to a conclusion or judged them or made an assumption. So it may not be because they were offended by the "truth" it was because you judged them and said something that wasn't true because it was you being closed minded. It's called an opinion you have.


If you or anyone has not watched Storm of the Century by Stephen King please watch it.

In the meanwhile, I think these scenes are appropriate to this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGyy0Z8AmOs
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04 Dec 2012, 11:53 pm

I actually prefer the honest response. Maybe its just because by being alone you become cynical.

But i make something and people dont like it, they can just say it, its not like gonna be sad or something. I prefer truth above lies.

Even more i cant even lie to people i know, i simply cannot lie to like my mother, because the illusion breaks very fast,

If people ask me something they better well be prefered for an honest answer or they shouldn bother asking. im not around to lie to make people feel good or something.

But maybe its because some of us, because of what or who we are, we learn to deal with the truth of life, that lies isnt all happiness and rossy and stuff. I get this idea that most people live in some sort of sphere bubble if you will, they have all these ideas about them selves and such, which just doesnt reflect reality.

How can you be happy if going around lying and being told lies ?. that seems so off. Because normally if people find out you lie about something, they get pissed.



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05 Dec 2012, 12:40 am

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And then people get upset. Why? You didn't know I wouldn't enjoy your gift. It's better you know now, then ask me about it later, and I already returned/regifted it.


What is worse though is when you do tell them you don't like it yet they get you the same darned thing the next year!



Or they don't get you anything ever again.


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05 Dec 2012, 12:28 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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And then people get upset. Why? You didn't know I wouldn't enjoy your gift. It's better you know now, then ask me about it later, and I already returned/regifted it.


What is worse though is when you do tell them you don't like it yet they get you the same darned thing the next year!



Or they don't get you anything ever again.


But I would actually prefer that!


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05 Dec 2012, 12:53 pm

People don't want you to lie about everything. It all depends on the situation. There's lying and there's lying.


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05 Dec 2012, 12:55 pm

It's like the question "Do these jeans make me look fat?" Even if the answer is yes, pretty much every man alive knows that you have to say no to that question. To say otherwise is a death sentence! The reason is that no one wants to be told they're fat, they want to be told "Oh no you look beautiful!" So even if you speak the truth, many times they'd prefer to believe a lie than to be exposed to that truth. Me personally though, I'd prefer complete honesty, even if it does hurt a bit to hear it. I'd rather have no delusions about what someone thinks, than to have their responses veiled with white lies.



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05 Dec 2012, 8:50 pm

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It's like the question "Do these jeans make me look fat?" Even if the answer is yes, pretty much every man alive knows that you have to say no to that question. To say otherwise is a death sentence! The reason is that no one wants to be told they're fat, they want to be told "Oh no you look beautiful!" So even if you speak the truth, many times they'd prefer to believe a lie than to be exposed to that truth. Me personally though, I'd prefer complete honesty, even if it does hurt a bit to hear it. I'd rather have no delusions about what someone thinks, than to have their responses veiled with white lies.


Yeah, the jeans question is a dangerous one!

I don't know that people want to lie or be lied to. It's more a case of avoiding conflict and reinforcing that you like the other person.

Why it runs so deep in the culture is anybody's guess.

deception is an important tool in the social world that can be used in many ways. Honesty is more limited.....

Somethings can't easily be changed - like a fat bum - so it's easier to change the way we think about it....