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15 Dec 2012, 5:41 pm

You know what, though?

I'm not going to filter what I post here on WP because I'm afraid of people not being understanding.
This is a place for understanding. So, I'm going to act like it.

We get so misunderstood and judged other places. Wrong Planet is the one place that I'm just not going to let myself be scared of that stuff.
Even if it does happen.



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15 Dec 2012, 5:42 pm

I think people don't know the difference between special treatment and accommodations.


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15 Dec 2012, 5:44 pm

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I think there is a conservative attitude that if you ask for reasonable accommodations you are asking for special privileges.


Yep. Because people with disabilities should just get over it, right?



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15 Dec 2012, 5:46 pm

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I think people don't know the difference between special treatment and accommodations.


We need a good definition. Special treatment: the result of bribing, faking, and kissing up.

Accommodations: to make it fair for people with disabilities, to help them lead successful and less stressful lives by enabling them where they were previously disabled.

Easy.



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15 Dec 2012, 6:00 pm

By giving accommodations, you're putting people on a level playing field. We're not put at an advantage.

I have noticed (not here, specifically) that there seems to be a lot of bitterness towards those of us who get extra time. I would rather not need my extra time and live a normal life.

Anyone who knows anything about accommodations, would know you can't just ask for them. You have to have a good reason (not just "I have Aspergers" - not everyone on the spectrum will need extra time, etc) to need these accommodations.

I did manage ok without accommodations (as I didn't need them) but now I need them more and more. Especially as writing on white paper (as opposed to coloured) means that my handwriting is dreadful.

We're not given or asking for special treatment. Special treatment would be putting us at an advantage. Anything we're given has to be justified.



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15 Dec 2012, 6:29 pm

The problem with autism is that it is not just a disability but also a hypeability. If neurotypicals gave special accommodations to autistics during math tests they would not be just competing with a disabled person on a level playing field but they would be competing with Einstein himself. If you are not a genius there is no way to compete with a genius but you can compete with a slow learner or a person who can't complete the test on time.



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15 Dec 2012, 6:32 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The problem with autism is that it is not just a disability but also a hypeability. If neurotypicals gave special accommodations to autistics during math tests they would not be just competing with a disabled person on a level playing field but they would be competing with Einstein himself. If you are not a genius there is no way to compete with a genius but you can compete with a slow learner or a person who can't complete the test on time.


It's very stereotypical to say that people who are autistics are good at math, or geniuses at it.

We have our strengths and weaknesses. But thanks for calling us Einstein. I guess.



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15 Dec 2012, 6:45 pm

Einstein was not good at math per se. He only got C grades and had difficulty memorizing. He could not even remember his own phone number. Einstein was good with his imagination and could invent mathematical concepts but initially nobody accepted his ideas until they were later proven.



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15 Dec 2012, 7:09 pm

EstherJ wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I think people don't know the difference between special treatment and accommodations.


We need a good definition. Special treatment: the result of bribing, faking, and kissing up.

Accommodations: to make it fair for people with disabilities, to help them lead successful and less stressful lives by enabling them where they were previously disabled.

Easy.



To me special treatment means getting something you don't really need or that isn't necessary because you are capable of doing it the way like everyone else. Like me getting a free tablet would be special treatment because I don't need it to communicate with like people who are higher up on the spectrum than me who do. But yet if they can afford their own tablet and they need one, why can't they pay for it themselves rather than getting a free one? I would call that special treatment then because they can afford it and other families and people with it cannot so they get one for free. That's always been my attitude and my husband is trying to push me into getting a free phone when we can actually afford one and he is like "but why should we have to pay for it if they are offering it for free for people with disabilities?" I say "because we can afford it and it be taking advantage of it if we got one for free" and he tells me we are not taking advantage of it if we qualify.


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15 Dec 2012, 7:11 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Einstein was not good at math per se. He only got C grades and had difficulty memorizing. He could not even remember his own phone number. Einstein was good with his imagination and could invent mathematical concepts but initially nobody accepted his ideas until they were later proven.


There are people who are good at math but fail the classes because of their different way of solving math problems and the teacher wouldn't accept it. They didn't care if the student got the right answers, they have to do the problems right and if the person is unable to do them right, they fail.


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15 Dec 2012, 7:28 pm

EstherJ wrote:
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I am applying for accommodations in order to take the GRE in the spring.

But, since the DSM is changing the name of my disorder, will I even be able to get them?

It's like, I NEED those accommodations. Why? Because I'm AUTISTIC. Asperger's is Autism.

I don't have the money to get re-diagnosed in order to spend more money to get accommodations that I already need in the first place.

I'm just a little irritated, that's all. I don't know what to expect. I'm autistic; I hate change.


Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.


Are you on crack?


What about everyone else who rolled with this. It's HURTFUL, and presumptuous, and arrogant.


I don't know if the others are on crack too.



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15 Dec 2012, 7:55 pm

I am Einstein in some aspects; but I'm mostly an average joe.


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15 Dec 2012, 8:15 pm

I am sorry, it was never my intention to hurt anyone with my opinion. It is just a very strong opinion I have.



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15 Dec 2012, 9:00 pm

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I am sorry, it was never my intention to hurt anyone with my opinion. It is just a very strong opinion I have.


I never thought I would hear something like that from YOU. Bit of a shocker. The thing is you don't know what other people experience internally. I think the fact that we don't have adequate accommodations is a bigger problem than asking for extra time to take a test under false pretenses.



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15 Dec 2012, 9:09 pm

DVCal wrote:
I am sorry, it was never my intention to hurt anyone with my opinion. It is just a very strong opinion I have.



Well you're good. I have never apologized for any of my opinions.


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16 Dec 2012, 3:40 am

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion. What's wrong is to apply it always and be insensitive with it.

And, every opinion has some valid points. For example, there might be some people that really DO work the system.

But that's not everyone, and it's not good to generalize on an opinion. Every situation is specific.

I just have come to grips that getting accommodations is ok, because for a while I was afraid it wasn't. It took me a long time to be able to say that if you need them in order to be on a level ground with anyone else, you should get them. I was a late diagnosis so my whole life I've felt like my struggles were just a bad part of me.

But, I might have over-reacted. I do apologize if that was the case. And, I accept your apology. No hard feelings! :D

Without accommodations, people with disabilities would be deprived of opportunities. And I agree with Rascal - the few bad shouldn't spoil it for those that REALLY do need them. I'm paying a lot of money to prove that I need them.