Which vitamins are autistic's commonly deficient in?

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01 Jan 2013, 9:37 am

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Do your research before taking a large dose of any one vitamin. Certain vitamins can be toxic. Excess A,D,E, and K, is stored in fat tissue and organs.


For A, take beta carotene. It isn't toxic, and you will turn orange LONG after you have enough! If you don't get enough, you will have eye problems, etc.... It is HARD to overdose on D. If you don't get enough, all sorts of thngs can go wrong. You can overdose on E? AGAIN, it can lead to a lot of ailments. K can be taken in moderation. It's primary purpose is blood clotting. Otherwise, it helps bones and the like, but I never met a person with such a problem there.

BTW overdosing on E is apparently difficult and rare!

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03 Jan 2013, 1:59 am

Some people suggested to consult with a medical doctor about the use of dietary supplements for autism. Research investigations found, however, that conventional doctors are poorly educated about supplements. Consulting with a nutritionist seems to be the right choice. Also, taking supplements ought to adhere to biological needs and requirements. Meaning, for example, that the main supplement should be a science-based multivitamin, rather than taking one or a few product in a piecemeal manner. Those more specialized supplements can be added depending on an individual's idiosyncratic situation.



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03 Jan 2013, 2:15 am

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Some people suggested to consult with a medical doctor about the use of dietary supplements for autism. Research investigations found, however, that conventional doctors are poorly educated about supplements. Consulting with a nutritionist seems to be the right choice. Also, taking supplements ought to adhere to biological needs and requirements. Meaning, for example, that the main supplement should be a science-based multivitamin, rather than taking one or a few product in a piecemeal manner. Those more specialized supplements can be added depending on an individual's idiosyncratic situation.



This. Doctors usually won't give you any substantial nutritional advice and most likely will prescribe a drug for you if they can. Also, it's important to do your own research; even if you see a nutritionist, he may not have your best interests at heart. Always take a professional's word with some skepticism (remember they are trying to make money off you)--do some Internet research on what your nutritionist/doctor tells you before blindly following their orders.



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03 Jan 2013, 2:48 am

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I don't know.

Personnally i feel better after a day under the sun, so I guess Vitamin D, and I feel far more alert after an Energy drink (Taurine).

I've read studies about how Taurine might improve autism.

Please post links to those studies.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=autism+taurine

Happy new year everyone :afro:


He asked for links to studies, not some kind of lame google search that just turns up links to web pages about it.

Perhaps you can try again and show links to actual studies.

Do the research yourself, there are tons of links showing texts about the subject in the "lame" google page I showed. If you can't read it's not my fault.



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03 Jan 2013, 2:57 am

Vitamin D: http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... and-autism.

I wouldn't recommend fooling around with stuff, but this one should be a no-brainer, if one is given to fooling around, given the amount of peer-reviewed research that has documented a correlation. If you have exceptionally light skin, you should definitely try it.



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03 Jan 2013, 3:01 am

TheTrade wrote:
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Some people suggested to consult with a medical doctor about the use of dietary supplements for autism. Research investigations found, however, that conventional doctors are poorly educated about supplements. Consulting with a nutritionist seems to be the right choice. Also, taking supplements ought to adhere to biological needs and requirements. Meaning, for example, that the main supplement should be a science-based multivitamin, rather than taking one or a few product in a piecemeal manner. Those more specialized supplements can be added depending on an individual's idiosyncratic situation.



This. Doctors usually won't give you any substantial nutritional advice and most likely will prescribe a drug for you if they can. Also, it's important to do your own research; even if you see a nutritionist, he may not have your best interests at heart. Always take a professional's word with some skepticism (remember they are trying to make money off you)--do some Internet research on what your nutritionist/doctor tells you before blindly following their orders.


Yep, medicine in this country is a for pro$it enterprise. It's not about your health. It's about the $$$. So they will prescribe drugs just to generate profits even if these drugs have very harmful side effects and barely budge the symptoms. There's a financial disincentive to treat the causes of illness when hospitals are run by private corporations. The medical industry can be good for surgery (at least if one is wealthy) not for much else.



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03 Jan 2013, 4:00 am

First it was vaccines, now vitamins...

Coming up next week - could Austism be cured by eating bananas? Stay tuned for exciting new discoveries, only on WrongPlanet Channel :D


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03 Jan 2013, 5:10 am

tchek wrote:
eric76 wrote:
tchek wrote:
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tchek wrote:
I don't know.

Personnally i feel better after a day under the sun, so I guess Vitamin D, and I feel far more alert after an Energy drink (Taurine).

I've read studies about how Taurine might improve autism.

Please post links to those studies.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=autism+taurine

Happy new year everyone :afro:


He asked for links to studies, not some kind of lame google search that just turns up links to web pages about it.

Perhaps you can try again and show links to actual studies.

Do the research yourself, there are tons of links showing texts about the subject in the "lame" google page I showed. If you can't read it's not my fault.


So you feel that the answer to any question is to point at the Internet and say it's out there, find it yourself? That is, of course, complete nonsense.

The person making the claim must be the one who is responsible for making the case for that claim to be true. Outside of simple classroom exercises or well known facts, he cannot honestly just tell someone to go look for it themselves.

In this case, the claim was "I've read studies about how Taurine might improve autism.", but when asked to provide information about those studies you were unable to do so and so you gave a general web search on Google on the subject as a highly ineffective response. You weren't asked for general information found on the web which is quite often very inaccurate, but links to the studies that you mentioned.

If you don't have the time to dig up those studies, then why should anyone else try to do so? After all, you were the one making the claim about the studies, not us.



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03 Jan 2013, 5:23 am

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Vitamin D: http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... and-autism.

I wouldn't recommend fooling around with stuff, but this one should be a no-brainer, if one is given to fooling around, given the amount of peer-reviewed research that has documented a correlation. If you have exceptionally light skin, you should definitely try it.


The link is http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vitamin-d-and-autism.

Whether or not it is useful in treating people with autism, I have no idea. The discussion in the link is about an apparent correlation between low levels of Vitamin D in pregnant women and a higher incidence of Autism in their children.

Keep in mind Vitamin D is important for the proper functioning of the immune system and that if you don't live pretty far south, you probably can't generate enough in the winter to do any good at all.

By the way, for those who are interested in taking Vitamin D, you can get it as Vitamin D2 or Vitamin D3. The Vitamin D3 is reportedly far more effective than the Vitamin D2.



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03 Jan 2013, 5:29 am

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First it was vaccines, now vitamins...

Coming up next week - could Austism be cured by eating bananas?


The notion that vaccines have anything to do with it has been rather strongly shown to be nonsense.

The research on Vitamin D is ongoing.

For what it's worth, even if it should turn out that the Vitamin D link to Autism is wrong, it is still quite worthwhile taking Vitamin D to boost our immune system.



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03 Jan 2013, 6:59 am

Here is a Google search on which vitamins might be deficient:

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d&sc ... 00&bih=928

However, much is speculatory, little proven and also you have to consider that it might be that deficiency in particular vitamins might only have been relevant in foetal development or very early in development and not as an adult. So even if you took these vitamins you might not be doing anything helpful regarding autism symptoms.

If you don't have a balanced diet, then a good quality multi-vitamin might be a good idea. Until something is substantiated regarding vitamin deficiencies caution is advised.


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03 Jan 2013, 2:27 pm

eric76 wrote:
Unseen wrote:
First it was vaccines, now vitamins...

Coming up next week - could Austism be cured by eating bananas?


The notion that vaccines have anything to do with it has been rather strongly shown to be nonsense.

The research on Vitamin D is ongoing.

For what it's worth, even if it should turn out that the Vitamin D link to Autism is wrong, it is still quite worthwhile taking Vitamin D to boost our immune system.


I think it's highly unlikely that vitamin D deficiency alone causes autism. However, it might be a collateral damage from whatever does cause autism and also by itself cause some of the symptoms. You're not going to cure yourself by taking vitamin D, but you might reduce some of your sensory issues and be able to interact with people more smoothly. Particularly if you're extremely pale (meaning you may have a deficiency due to lack of sun regardless), try it.



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03 Jan 2013, 5:59 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
eric76 wrote:
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First it was vaccines, now vitamins...

Coming up next week - could Austism be cured by eating bananas?


The notion that vaccines have anything to do with it has been rather strongly shown to be nonsense.

The research on Vitamin D is ongoing.

For what it's worth, even if it should turn out that the Vitamin D link to Autism is wrong, it is still quite worthwhile taking Vitamin D to boost our immune system.


I think it's highly unlikely that vitamin D deficiency alone causes autism.


That isn't what the recent studies indicate. If that were it, then there would be no Autism in the children of women who had good Vitamin D levels.

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However, it might be a collateral damage from whatever does cause autism and also by itself cause some of the symptoms.


Again, that's not what the recent studies were about. The studies were about the children of mothers with low levels of Vitamin D being more likely to be autistic. It has nothing to do with the children having low levels of Vitamin D but the mothers having low levels of Vitamin D while pregnant with the child.

I see no reason to suspect that Vitamin D would have any affect on those who are Autistic.

On the other hand, it appears likely that many people with Autism and Aspergers are less likely to spend time outdoors. I've seen plenty of mention on here by people who seem to prefer to stay inside whenever possible. For those who do, without that midday sun exposure in the summer, their Vitamin D levels are quite likely to be even lower than usual.

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You're not going to cure yourself by taking vitamin D, but you might reduce some of your sensory issues and be able to interact with people more smoothly.


I don't know that there are any studies that show it would be of any efficacy for symptoms of Autism.

It might not help with their Autism, but it would be likely to be of benefit to their general health.

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Particularly if you're extremely pale (meaning you may have a deficiency due to lack of sun regardless), try it.


It appears that being very fair skinned helps you produce Vitamin D more efficiently from exposure to UVB than those with darker skins.



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04 Jan 2013, 1:03 am

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4,000 IU of vit D3 isn't in the slightest bit bad for you.
It may say on the label that a supplement isn't designed to cure something, but that doesn't mean it can't.


I haven't heard any documented cases of anyone being cured of autism by taking vitamins that all autistic people are supposedly short on. If it was as simple as vitamins they would be selling them as a cure already. I won't deny that maybe they can help though, but I don't think autism is a case of vitamin shortage.


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4,000 IU of vit D3 isn't in the slightest bit bad for you.
It may say on the label that a supplement isn't designed to cure something, but that doesn't mean it can't.


I haven't heard any documented cases of anyone being cured of autism by taking vitamins that all autistic people are supposedly short on. If it was as simple as vitamins they would be selling them as a cure already. I won't deny that maybe they can help though, but I don't think autism is a case of vitamin shortage.


The original poster opined that taking 4,000 IU of Vitamin D per day seemed to be helping her with her symptoms. I suspect that is more likely a placebo effect than anything else, but there is at least one condition apparently associated with some people who are Autistic that can be the result of a Vitamin D deficiency -- muscle weakness.

That said, a surprisingly large portion of the population is deficient in Vitamin D. For example, according to Dr Holick, a noted researcher in Vitamin D

Based on the new definitions for vitamin D deficiency and insufficiency, it has been estimated that more than one billion people worldwide are either vitamin D deficient or insufficient.6,8,9 A multitude of studies have reported that 50-100 percent of the elderly men and women in the US and Europe are vitamin D deficient.6 Children, pregnant and lactating women, and young adults are at equally high risk. At the time of birth, 76 percent of mothers and 81 percent of newborns were vitamin D deficient even though the women were ingesting ~600 IU of vitamin D/day during pregnancy.6 It has been estimated that more than 50 million teenagers in the US are either vitamin D deficient or insufficient.16 Fifty percent of children ages 1 to 5 and 70 percent of children 6 to 11 years of age were found to be vitamin D deficient or insufficient in the US.17 Thirty to more than 50 percent of children living in India, China and Saudi Arabia were vitamin D deficient.6 Thirty-two percent of healthy physicians and medical residents at a Boston hospital who took a multivitamin containing 400 IU of vitamin D/day and drank a glass of vitamin D fortified milk/day were found to be vitamin D deficient. In Europe, very few foods are fortified with vitamin D and therefore both children and adults are at high risk for this vitamin deficiency. In the US, a 20 percent decline was reported in the serum 25(OH)D levels as measured by the national database NHANES III between 1994 and 2004. The major causes were obesity, lifestyle changes, decreased milk consumption and increased use of sun protection.18

Reports of Vitamin D deficiency from countries as diverse as Great Britain19 Austria,20 Germany,21 Finland,22 New Zealand23 and India24 indicate the scope of the pandemic. Even sunny Australia reports 30 to 50 percent of children and adults as being vitamin D deficient.6 The age groups included in studies of these countries include young adults and the elderly with wide variation by country of residence.25 Even where vitamin D fortification of milk has been in place for many decades, as in the US and Canada, there are still major deficiencies related to season, latitude of residence, age, gender and social conditions.26 Adequate exposure to summer sunlight is the essential means to ample supply, but oral intake augmented by both fortification and supplementation is necessary to maintain baseline stores.


So are Autistic people deficient in Vitamin D? My assumption is that the percentages are probably on the same order as the general public.

As far as Vitamin D goes, it's not about curing people but about helping them live healthier lives, Autistic and non-Autistic alike.

Regarding the issue of toxicity,

There has been great concern about increasing vitamin D intake for children and adults because of potential vitamin D toxicity which causes hypercalcemia, hyperphosphatemia, nephrocalcinosis, and soft tissue calcification, all of which can contribute to increased risk of death. Studies have shown that adults can take up to 10,000 IU of vitamin D a day for at least five months without altering their serum calcium or urinary calcium output.42 One method for preventing rickets in neonates in the inner cities of Europe was to give a single 200,000 IU injection of vitamin D.1,6 Studies in children and adults receiving 2000 IU of vitamin D a day have not reported any toxicity.

Vitamin D intoxication is one of the rarest medical conditions that may be caused either by intentional or inadvertent exposure to excessively high amounts of vitamin D attained by ingesting an average of more than 10,000 IU of vitamin D a day for more than six months. In one case report, a man took 2 teaspoons a day of a product thinking it contained 1000 IU of vitamin D per teaspoon for more than six months. When he presented with vitamin D intoxication, an analysis of his vitamin D preparation was made and found to be undiluted and containing 1 million IU of vitamin D in 2 teaspoons.6



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04 Jan 2013, 4:32 am

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For $12 I had 3 different vegetable soups, mesclun salads, steamed mussels, beef and stewed vegetables on rice or noodle, seaweed, heaps more all fresh buffet. Only drinks available afterwards was green tea

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