Starting to distrust 1st Gens...

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Over-analysing the downsides of Aspergers isn't a good idea as it will just make you feel miserable

You should re-focus onto something practical or enjoyable

For every NT who appears to 'have it all' I bet I could find stuff in their life you'd be glad to have escaped

What years would you consider 1st Gen? 1980s, 70s, 60s even?
My mother was born in the laet 40s, and she's definitely not NT however she is brainwashed by society to think she is a normal and act like them and obsess over the things that are normal socially acceptable.
She has came a long way in dealing with my diagnosis' all of them. She is from those eras of social programming, brainwashing, whatever to call it.
She also would get mad at me for not "acting normal". I couldn't help it, i'm not normal.

However my mother is not a Neurologically normal person in general. I don't want to say what diagnosis she may or may not have had, she has mellowed with age. Yet it's the programming by society that she doesn't understand, the kind where they want a flock of mundies.

Was the move to nowhere easier for you and your mother? I like it so much better living in the country than if i had to live in any city or suburb area.

Cats are great pets, so are dogs, all animals are great. Pets do make great company and they are so loyal!

I grew up in an environment where I was taught that intellect is the sole meaning of who you are, and emotions or personality are useless. You know what I got out of it? I hated it and rebelled (and yes I'm an aspie). You miss so much by looking down on others by judging them before getting to know them. You can't talk to so many people that way and lose out on many opportunities. I hope that you change your mind about people.

It's great that you are happy keeping to yourself and you are comfortable in your own skin. But know that it's not bad if others have different objectives than you. Many benefits come from being able to socialize with a wide range of people, so it's not a bad goal for aspies to seek to be better at socialization (from what I understand it, that seems to be what you are talking about). Aspie or not, our DNA estimated to be 99.5% the same. Surely you can find more similarities than differences in other respects?

Conformity (in socialization) is a sign of maturity IMHO, for NTs as well as aspies. You can talk to so many more people if you try to understand them and find common ground than if you avoid them or judge them or overemphasize your differences.

I hate to say it, but I think that you could be onto something...

I think whether or not one is on the Spectrum, or NT, no one likes arrogance.
I used to think a bit like the OP, some decades ago, but then I realized on all the things I was missing out on. My private world became empty & lonely rather fast.


Sincerely,
Matthew

If you're going to attempt to satirise me, put at least a modicum of effort into it, softskull. Grabbing fragments of sentences and throwing them about with neither context nor understanding is, at best, newspaper grade foolishness.



Perhaps it is, but it isn't 100% one way or the other. I'm not all that concerned about the terms. I know however that I am, my mother is... but my maternal grandparents weren't to any visible degree (given present familiarity, it isn't difficult to spot). That is two generations of it since the last NT generation. For that matter, my younger brother isn't. That guy has always been sociable and outgoing... which makes him a bit of an oddity as the immediate family goes. I'm digressing, of course...
I'd have picked a better wording for my concerns if I thought there was one available... but as usual nothing obviously better-suited came to mind.
... So... criticism somewhat accepted. Somewhat.



You obviously were, or I wouldn't have told you that you were. Not to claim infallibility on my part, but it isn't like my perspective now is going to be any different to my perspective then, so I stand by my previous assessment. Reasoning? I tend to get the same reaction from many people about most subjects, using much the same approach. It is definitely rote by now.
And weren't you done here? ... I mean weren't you going to stop commenting, or am I mixing you up with someone else?
I did go through the whole supremacist stage in the past. Not sure I totally left it, but generally I segued more into just plain misanthropy since then.
We aren't "better"... we're just different... in ways I find marginally more tolerable (such as not being so stupid on average). Marginally. I'd possibly make an exception in your case though.




Ah well... clarify until folks get it.
I don't think I could hold it against folks for not being able to get away from things... It is the point where the Stockholm Syndrome starts to set in that things get... well... undesirable.

aha,ha,ha,ha ! Magnanimous, you just crack me up. Are you for real?

It's the absolute disinterest in the opinions of others, the potential for yourself being wrong and (apparent) inability to judge that if everyone is forming the same opinion of you then they are most likely correct and the almost God complex you have.

It's just so funny, seriously, you entertain me. I'm almost starting to like you for it .

There isn't any direct correlation between what they've had to put up with and my distrust... but I suppose there is an indirect connection. It is more how they're likely to have reacted to that crap that is cause for concern.
As for trying to impart wisdom or any such idea... well, look at me. Look at the way I get. Do you honestly think anyone would listen to me if I told them their parents were wrong? I'm a mess. I understand things, but I can't convey them without coming across as a raving lunatic.




It is some of both... it varies massively.
There are some things we know and understand because we have to... and they remain ignorant because they do just fine without it.
But as to whether we've got a bad lot for our differences or are "better off" just depends on what matters to you, and how much it does, relatively speaking.
Bizarre as it might seem, I can only find peace when I can completely forget my own existence. When in my own mind I cease to exist, only then am I content. The rest of the time I'm feeling like I'm trapped in a damaged meat-shell trying pointlessly to keep it operating despite constant conflict from every other meat-machine that comes near it.
But would I want to be like them? f**k no. Never. I see the way they elate in the asinine and pointless and I realise that elation for its own sake is nothing.



Um... it isn't about years. It is about my grandparents being, for all intents and purposes, fully socially functioning neurotypical sorts.... and my mother being one of us...
But you do seem to get it.... what I'm saying....

... I don't really remember much about moving to Wales initially since I was 5 at the time and my memories don't really extend back that far so well. But generally my childhood was fine. My most pressing concerns were being forced to play the piano and that every single meal was made of rice or lentils. It was just myself, my mother, my brother and the cats for years... except for school, obviously... where I did whatever work I had to do, then spent every break time hidden away with a book wherever I could best avoid people and their horrible, mocking ways. On the whole, it was alright. Ironic that I ended up moving to London for Uni... but I had my reasons.



And I grew up in an environment where I learnt that by myself, and thus didn't rebel against it.
I don't get to know people. I don't want to get to know people. I want them not to cause me trouble, but they cause me trouble anyway... because that is just the way they are. And in the grand choice between taking it like a doormat or defending myself against their harmful ways... I opted for the latter, as at least that way I can preserve what little pride I have left.



We're at least 98% the same as chimps, if memory serves, and definitely over 50% the same as bananas. You'll have to forgive me if genetic similarities don't tend to mean much to me in that regard.



You say those things as though it should be taken for granted that they're somehow desirable. As though you're assuming things to be true by maxim that I quite simply do not agree with. I have no interest in maturity, and not a great deal in common ground either (too much common ground leads to a Highlander scenario). Being able to interact neutrally without things getting competitive or hostile would be fine... but there is quite simply too much dissonance for that in most cases.




Can't deny I'm arrogant. I'm about the most arrogant self-loathing creature you'll ever meet...... or possibly the 12th or 39th or something. I never make it into the top 10 anything. Anyway, I don't see it as a problem. More like a company-filter. Believe it or not, some interesting folk aren't half so bothered by it. They're the sort I'm cool with... as long as they're not TOO much like me, as then I'd have to fight them to the death.
I'm being about 30% facetious.



For real? Who knows. I don't much like reality. It is a silly place.
And I don't have a particularly high opinion of myself... I just have an even lower opinion of almost everyone else... formed gradually over years of giving people the benefit of the doubt and being let down time and time again. That and too many years spent on the Internet... v_v;

To make you feel better, NT's are completely helpless without us aspies. They would make no progress in civillization or technology whatsoever, Hell! The human race would still be in the stone age if it was only NT's operating in the world. Alot of cultural and technological seem to be created by aspie like individuals, Albert Einstein and william shakespeare, The Atomic bomb and Hamlet.

Imagine it would be the other way round, Autists being the majority and NTs the minority. Can you really tell you would not treat them hostile then? What I mean is, do you think you would do it better when the roles were swapped?

Magnanimous, could you name examples of your values/ideas and how they are different from the norm? Short descriptions, links to a larger text or a reference to a historical person you agree with will do. Without such we have nothing to test your claim that you're 'smarter' and not part of the 'willfully ignorant' majority. It might also give some insight in who you consider to be part of that majority. Is every religious person part of it? Or the inverse, every atheist? Every left-winger? Every right-winger? Depending on your position on such matters and the surrounding you live in I can imagine you'd feel like the only sane person around.

OK, that's decided it, I really do like you. Such blase honesty cannot go unrewarded! At least you say what you mean, even if it is unpalatable and that has to be admired. You are decidedly interesting, especially as you remain so calm through it all. Well done.

Ok, I apologize. I was out of line (that happens a lot to softskulls like me).

I tried to engage in discussion with you at your level, but I just couldn't dig deep enough. I am sorry for this transgression.

I doubt I'd ever run into them then. If there was anything resembling civilization at all, it wouldn't be based on socialising so much... would it?
In fact, if there were so few of them, they'd probably go insane from social longing or end up in prison for getting overly personal or something.
But since it isn't a situation that could ever conceivably arise... I do struggle to visualise it to any significant resolution.

In any case, I'd have far less of a desire to see them all killed if there were few of them.



Probably not. I don't like values. The ones I have I pretty much only have by accident... The whole subject is rather abstract, so sometimes they pop up just by trying to get rid of other ones... sort of. If I overthink it, I'll just get confused.
A historical person I "agree" with? Zhuangze.
But only partially.
People that form that majority? Well yeah, religious folk have to get thrown in... naturally. That was probably one of the first steps down the slippery slope to utter misanthropy. That delightful moment when I was 7 and some dude called a vicar was talking to the other kids about "bible" stuff and I was wondering first why he was talking such insane drivel, and then with horror why nobody else had called him out on it.... That mortifying moment when you realise what is utterly ludicrous to you is just being treated as completely ordinary and going totally unquestioned by every other person around you.
But then eventually I learnt that people can get that way about just about anything... the obsession with religion, with politics, with sex, with television, with each other, with "happiness"... They don't question anything. It either gets lumped into the auto-accept column or the auto-deny column.
I noticed that they couldn't tell the difference between me being "nice" and me being "nasty"... or rather they just didn't notice the former at all, but always noticed the latter, and showed no sign of awareness that I ever stopped being the latter. I realised pretty quickly that if I was going to get accused of being rude no matter what I did, that I was better off not applying the effort at all.
And eventually I learnt amusing things like.... say if a bunch of people are waiting to cross the road, if I pretend I'm crossing the road, some of them will also try to do so... even in the midst of fast traffic. Manipulating their herd mentality is hilarious... though I don't get too many opportunities to do it well. And there are other things... like if a weirdly shaped path has been laid out, they'll just follow it, rather than taking the most efficient route right across the middle... or that somehow society still has an attitude to reproduction better suited to the dark ages when there was a serious threat of whole families dying out... as opposed to these days when there are so many people and so much wastefulness that civilization is pretty much going up sh!t creek because of it, and they still treat having a kid like an achievement, or dying as a "tragedy". I find a lot of mundies still get caught out by the old "St Ives" thing... or they can't find a viable answer to "How long have you been beating your wife?" even if you give them five minutes for it!


... Oh. I'm rambling again.
Sorry.
Think I completely lost the plot there.



How quaint. You think this is about levels. Such one-dimensional consideration.

I had written a long story and forgot halfway what I was getting at, so I'm just going to put questions in a list. I'm good at lists. Here goes:

- What requirements would someone have to meet for you to consider them equally... enlightened (for lack of a better word)?
- You expressed disappointment with the mundie values. Assuming there are things that you are more disappointed and less disappointed in, how are those not equivalent to what everyone else calls bad and good? How is your opinion on the thoughts and behaviour of others not values?
- Herd mentality evolved because it increases chance of survival. Given that you aren't dead you must desire to live, so why pick on herd mentality?
- Do you consider yourself a nihilist and why/why not?

the posts quoted from the OP are obviously not acceptable as they violate the following rules (as bolded):

thread locked, member warned.