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Anomiel
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15 Jan 2013, 12:32 pm

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Psychopathy misdiagnosed as Aspergers? In any case, it's an interesting article to read:

http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-p ... 95281.html

It seems there's been cases due to the lack of empathy criteria in which diagnostic mistakes can be made, or it is hard for certain
individuals to make the proper diagnosis NPD, APD, ASD.


s**t there's a psychopath forum? It even comes with its own trigger-warning! Anyway I suspected something like that could happen, if the ones doing the diagnosing didn't understand the internal reality of the patient. But they are miles apart and a good psychiatrist should know that...



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15 Jan 2013, 12:40 pm

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No, you're not. You're a normal autistic. I am the same way, but seeing other people emotional makes me emotional.


Those things he described are decidedly not just because of autism. I actually feel offended by that.


It's unclear what of what he said applies only to childhood. The liking violent movies and not crying during sad movies is no big deal. All the other things are normal in autistic CHILDREN, many of whom have ODD due to being constantly misunderstood and bullied; they also like to explore their environment. I cut stuffed animals apart too. That doesn't make me violent as an adult.

As an autistic child, I felt like the whole world was at war with me, and I developed ODD. I grew out of it only when I became higher-functioning as a teenager and entered Aspergers territory.

The fact that I was like that as a child and still have abstract empathy issues as an adult does not make me a psychopath. The same may well go for the OP as well.



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15 Jan 2013, 12:40 pm

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sh** there's a psychopath forum? It even comes with its own trigger-warning!


Well, first of all it's a website were nearly every disorder finds it's own sub-forum and this is a sub-forum for antisocial personality disorder. And that they also talk about psychopathy in there shouldn't be too unusuall. To have antisocial traits is very common, so common as having autism I would guess and of course a person could be both. It's not very common, but possible.


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15 Jan 2013, 12:45 pm

Raziel wrote:
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Psychopathy misdiagnosed as Aspergers? In any case, it's an interesting article to read:

http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-p ... 95281.html


Do you have a scientific article or a study on this subject?
Just curious.


If you actually go to google, there's a bunch of scientific articles on the subject, i just don't want to be bothered reading through them right now as it's not my top priority.
However if its something that interests you, there's been mention on various boards about Aspergers being misdiagnosed to NPD, BPD, Sociopathy due to the lack of empathy. So people have noticed and picked up about it.

If you find a good scientific article, i will read it.



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15 Jan 2013, 12:46 pm

Chloe33 wrote:
Psychopathy misdiagnosed as Aspergers? In any case, it's an interesting article to read:

http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-p ... 95281.html

It seems there's been cases due to the lack of empathy criteria in which diagnostic mistakes can be made, or it is hard for certain
individuals to make the proper diagnosis NPD, APD, ASD.


There have been a few threads on this topic on the AsPD forums at psychforums. I don't know why but it seems hard for people to believe that someone can be ASD and have a personality disorder. I believe even Dr. Asperger documented some ASD children with clearly AsPD traits.

Some of the people on that forum are attention seeking but many truly are AsPD. If anyone reading this feels compelled to go to that forum and start asking questions and debating I strongly recommend you understand what you are stepping into before you do it.



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15 Jan 2013, 12:55 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
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No, you're not. You're a normal autistic. I am the same way, but seeing other people emotional makes me emotional.


Those things he described are decidedly not just because of autism. I actually feel offended by that.


It's unclear what of what he said applies only to childhood. The liking violent movies and not crying during sad movies is no big deal. All the other things are normal in autistic CHILDREN, many of whom have ODD due to being constantly misunderstood and bullied; they also like to explore their environment. I cut stuffed animals apart too. That doesn't make me violent as an adult.

As an autistic child, I felt like the whole world was at war with me, and I developed ODD. I grew out of it only when I became higher-functioning as a teenager and entered Aspergers territory.

The fact that I was like that as a child and still have abstract empathy issues as an adult does not make me a psychopath. The same may well go for the OP as well.



It's not the action so much of cutting apart stuffed animals, do you remember why you did that?

In OP. Nate's case he said he cut his sister's stuffed animals apart since his sister had left him playing to visit their stepmother in the
hospital and he got angry.

That he was angry and cut their throats out of anger suggests a motive that had some malice to it. He wanted to hurt his sister by hurting her stuffed toys. He also was cutting their throats. Thats all he mentioned.

Cutting up stuffed animals experimenting as a child is different then maliciously slitting the throats of your sister's plush toys in order to get revenge since you feel anger towards your sister.

The choice of where he cut the stuffed animals (he slit their throats) is also very specific.

I think a lot of children go through a phase where they "dissect" toys or whatnot, however it's obvious the OPs situation was mal-intent, he said so himself. That is different than a child cutting their own toys out of curiousity. He experienced anger at his sister, and took out the anger as revenge on her toys. The choice of throat slitting of her toys is interesting. As other children may just slit them or cut them up.
He just cut their throats. Red flags anyone?

Would you take pictures of dead cats to look at?
Thats terribly disturbing. My gf warns me if their is one on the roadway so that i don't look at it.

To actually take pictures of something it seems he wants to keep viewing the pictures as he gets off on seeing disgusting horrible things or causing such things.

OP what state you live in?



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15 Jan 2013, 12:59 pm

Chloe33 wrote:

OP what state you live in?


Physical or mental?



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15 Jan 2013, 1:32 pm

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OP what state you live in?


Physical or mental?


i should have been specific, physical :D



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15 Jan 2013, 1:39 pm

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Is this my autism?


Was it Lanza's Autism that killed 28?
No, Autism is not linked to violence.

What exactly are you diagnosed with? HFA or Aspergers?

You sound volatile very much so. ODD possibly? Conduct Disorder, call it what you will. NPD APD....
Some people have several diagnoses.

For an Autistic person to actually commit and think about such violence is unheard of.
TAKING PICTURES OF DEAD CATS
Cutting the throats of your sisters stuffed animals is SYMBOLIC behavior of VIOLENCE.
The lack of empathy for even close family is disturbing.
Thoughts of Blood and Gore..

All these factors you have described for us are not good at all. There is a levels of malevolence involved in your actions towards your sister leaving and cutting the toys' throats.

However you seemed to have experienced a lot of death in the family.
Did you really not care at all when your famiily members died?
Possibly all the death surrounding you has led to your interest in dead cats and you thoughts of blood and gore.

Definitely you should see a therapist/psychologist and talk about it at the very least.


I have Kanners Autism. I'm also a girl. The stuffed animal thing happened when I was a child, the animal's head was falling off anyway so I just finished it. I didn't cry when my mother died, but I do miss her. Thoughts of blood and gore usually occur when I'm depressed and it involves myself. I have no idea why I like taking pictures of dead cats, I think they look cool and so peaceful. I would like to refute my statement, I am there for people when they need and I'm generally a good sympathetic friend. I remember one time I was not though and told the individual to grow up because I heard my other friend did the same to me. In my mind, I thought it would be appropriate to repeat what my other friend said;however I later realised it was cruel.


Let's make something clear, miss exaggeration.

It was ONE stuffed toy.



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15 Jan 2013, 1:52 pm

Raziel wrote:
Well, first of all it's a website were nearly every disorder finds it's own sub-forum and this is a sub-forum for antisocial personality disorder. And that they also talk about psychopathy in there shouldn't be too unusuall. To have antisocial traits is very common, so common as having autism I would guess and of course a person could be both. It's not very common, but possible.


Of course I know that there are sub-forums of every kind on the internet, I just was a bit shocked. I wonder what that rate is, I guess it's more likely than someone being wholly misdiagnosed. This is one of those things were I kind of hope there isn't any research as otherwise NT having ASPD and Aspie having ASPD would be constructed very differently in media.

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There have been a few threads on this topic on the AsPD forums at psychforums. I don't know why but it seems hard for people to believe that someone can be ASD and have a personality disorder. I believe even Dr. Asperger documented some ASD children with clearly AsPD traits.

Some of the people on that forum are attention seeking but many truly are AsPD. If anyone reading this feels compelled to go to that forum and start asking questions and debating I strongly recommend you understand what you are stepping into before you do it.


:?: :?: :?: Hope you don't mean me? Just because I like psychology, doesn't mean I have anything to say to someone just because they suffer from ASPD. Fair warning for anyone else though.



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15 Jan 2013, 8:29 pm

The OP has posted again and that should clear stuff up?
I feel bad about my post being the first one visible when people look in the newly posted things as I'm sure many are interested in what you have to say, so maybe post again NateRiver? Sorry for calling you a "he".
I think it sounds more self-injurious than violent, those thoughts about blood. If you're still worried answer those 8 questions found on page 2 of this thread for yourself, and you shouldn't post the answers here. If you're still bothered, as you seem sad about all this no matter what the answer is, find a therapist of some sort to talk to. I'm sure an actual professional that knows you would be of more help.



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15 Jan 2013, 8:41 pm

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:?: :?: :?: Hope you don't mean me? Just because I like psychology, doesn't mean I have anything to say to someone just because they suffer from ASPD. Fair warning for anyone else though.


Don't mean you what? I was just saying if anyone want's to go to that forum they need to understand the people they encounter will not be nice people.



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15 Jan 2013, 8:58 pm

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:?: :?: :?: Hope you don't mean me? Just because I like psychology, doesn't mean I have anything to say to someone just because they suffer from ASPD. Fair warning for anyone else though.


Don't mean you what? I was just saying if anyone want's to go to that forum they need to understand the people they encounter will not be nice people.


As I was the only one currently in this thread going "What??" about that whole deal I felt like asking. I'll refrain from asking you anything in the future. And it's nice of you to post a trigger warning here too.