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13 Jan 2013, 10:10 pm

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Seems to me that some of the narc questions could be answered the same for ASD but for different reasons. That might be why narc scores seem high.


Which questions specifically?


Here are a few that I think would have cross over between ASD and the conditions this test measures for. I could be wrong. It might just be my weird difficulty interpreting these kinds of questions. Just how it seems to me.

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I can become entirely absorbed in thinking about my personal affairs, my health, my cares or my relations to others.

I tend to be callous or insensitive.

Most people are basically good and kind.

It is safest to assume that all people have a vicious streak and it will come out when they are given a chance.

My feelings are easily hurt by ridicule or the slighting remarks of others.

I dislike sharing the credit of an achievement with others.

I am secretly "put out" or annoyed when other people come to me with their troubles, asking me for my time and sympathy.

Anyone who completely trusts anyone else is asking for trouble.

I easily become wrapped up in my own interests and forget the existence of others.



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13 Jan 2013, 10:17 pm

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Narcissism: 78.3
Machiavellianism: 10.7
Psychopathy: 28.6

I strongly think that the test would be biased for those with an ASD toward narcissism simply because we have no other frame of reference than ourselves.

Seriously. If you can't connect with other people, you're not going to think much about them. I cannot remember people unless I'm stimulated to - I can hole myself away for weeks and people won't even come to my mind.

However, I think a lot of us have a love for the general needs of mankind, however. Interesting.


I was trying to get at what Esther was saying but she said it much better than I could. Some of the questions I pasted are related to what Esther is saying.

On top of that a high percentage of people with ASD are bullied and tend to have an un-normal (don't want to use abnormal) expectation of people in terms of good and bad.



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13 Jan 2013, 10:19 pm

Narcissism (Narcissism is an egotistical preoccupation with self.)
Score is 2.9 ; 74.7 Percentile

Machiavellianism (Machiavellianism is a tendency to be manipulative and deceitful.)
Score is 3.5 ; 90.3 Percentile

Psychopathy (Psychopathy reflects shallow emotional responses.)
Score is 3.8 ; 96.4 Percentile

Hmm interesting results. I am not really sure what exactly they mean. How this compares to others. I am having one of those "off" days and can't think today. Like my brain is overworked and just fried.


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13 Jan 2013, 10:22 pm

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Yes I know about the experiment and have read a lot about that kind of thing. It's no surprise to me at all that people can be exceedingly evil if given half a chance. If you look at how people behave in day to day life you can see with many of them that they are only held back by the law and societal expectation. People often make me shudder if I imagine them in the role of a concentration camp guard - far too many would take to the role like a duck to water!

Most people seem determined to deny their and others' essential nature.


Aweome! Should have figured you knew about it, of course.
You're bit more nihilist than me :P But a lot of religious people seem to have that mentality that it's only the [insert religious text here] stopping them from out and out murder people. Hence they often argue that atheists must all be evil, because they don't go after the book(s). I shudder to think what they'd do if they weren't religious then.
I don't think being aware of peoples potential for evil warrant that high scores on actually being evil though, like the test presumes.


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I strongly think that the test would be biased for those with an ASD toward narcissism simply because we have no other frame of reference than ourselves.

Seriously. If you can't connect with other people, you're not going to think much about them. I cannot remember people unless I'm stimulated to - I can hole myself away for weeks and people won't even come to my mind.

However, I think a lot of us have a love for the general needs of mankind, however. Interesting.


I agree. Also anxiety or actual talent/smarts/good looks could give those results. The typical recipe of how to make a narcissist is to have someone think there is something fundamentally wrong with them, which they then will counter with a fragile high sense of self-worth as a survival mechanism. Actual narcissists are a bit more complicated than just vanity. And if there is one group that gets told in everything ("talented? SPLINTERSKILLS!!!11"/"intelligence? Just ROOOOTE" etc etc etc forever) that they are damaged, it is ASD people. But I think it might just be the typical ASD "self-absorbedness" (wrong word, I know) happening...



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13 Jan 2013, 10:25 pm

Narcissism 1.5 / 13%

Machiavellianism 0.3 / 0.1%

Psychopathy 0.2 / 0.8%

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13 Jan 2013, 10:25 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Rascal77s wrote:
Seems to me that some of the narc questions could be answered the same for ASD but for different reasons. That might be why narc scores seem high.


Which questions specifically?


Here are a few that I think would have cross over between ASD and the conditions this test measures for. I could be wrong. It might just be my weird difficulty interpreting these kinds of questions. Just how it seems to me.

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I can become entirely absorbed in thinking about my personal affairs, my health, my cares or my relations to others.

I tend to be callous or insensitive.

Most people are basically good and kind.

It is safest to assume that all people have a vicious streak and it will come out when they are given a chance.

My feelings are easily hurt by ridicule or the slighting remarks of others.

I dislike sharing the credit of an achievement with others.

I am secretly "put out" or annoyed when other people come to me with their troubles, asking me for my time and sympathy.

Anyone who completely trusts anyone else is asking for trouble.

I easily become wrapped up in my own interests and forget the existence of others.



Yes, almost matches the tests for Asperger's. It's just that in this case they set it up to be about the dark triad. I think we come at the questions from a different direction than the test-maker thought of.



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13 Jan 2013, 10:44 pm

Must add that I actually know a diagnosed dysfunctional (not in terms of autism, in terms of psychopathy) psychopath (not by choice, an inlaw) and known at least one that is currently locked up for arson, and an ex that is a repeat offender rapist (manipulative, but dumb as a rock), and a lot of assorted other scum, that I guess in hindsight probably are psychopaths. My on again/off again "best friend" of a period of my youth was very suave juvenile delinquent, and if he were alive today he probably would be diagnosed as a psychopath too. I take no pleasure in manipulating others (so I don't) and they most certainly do - even for little insignificant worthless things that I find ridiculous and don't see the point of. I often score very low on being machiavellian, and about average for psychopathy. So even if my tests are among the higher here, I still don't identify with that disorder. Also

psychopathy - being very good at recognising others feelings but just not caring
vs
asperger's - not recognising others feelings and feeling very bad about unintentional evil

machavellian - manipulating others
vs
asperger's - being bad at social things

kind of cancel each other out...



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13 Jan 2013, 10:59 pm

Dont even understand the first question.

I let others worry about higher values; my main concern is with the bottom line.

what does that mean ? higher values? buttom line ? of what?.



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13 Jan 2013, 11:14 pm

Some of the questions where hard to comprehend and seemed to be more statements. and confusing of the test...
I was constantly asking my gf for a translation and still.
Also why the need for 3 answers? strongly agree or disagree? Then we why do we need agree or disagree, Why do they always
refer to "strongly"



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13 Jan 2013, 11:16 pm

loner1984 wrote:
Dont even understand the first question.

I let others worry about higher values; my main concern is with the bottom line.

what does that mean ? higher values? buttom line ? of what?.


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14 Jan 2013, 12:46 am

Anomiel wrote:
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Can't say that I'm at all surprised by these results. I have been distinctively aware of a darkness within me ever since I was a teenager, and I know that I have the potential to commit terrible acts should I ever lose control over my emotions and moral compass. :twisted:


That's not what the Dark triad is about. Mostly means you'd be a good dresser? ;) http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... sonalities

I find that really funny, because I'm not physically attractive by any means. No one, not even close friends, have ever complimented me on my appearance, and I suspect that part of the reason why no one who I have ever wanted to date has reciprocated my feelings is because of the way that I look.

No, my narcissism has much more to do with my areas of interest - art, writing and music. I am highly competitive in these things, becoming prideful when I feel that I have an edge over others, suffering crushing blows to my self-esteem when I am criticized (constructively or otherwise) and becoming insanely jealous of anyone who I perceive to be more talented or experienced than me.



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14 Jan 2013, 12:52 am

I'm surprised:
Narcissism - 2.6 - 60.2%
Machiavellianism - 2.2 - 42.8%
Psychopathy - 1.3 - 24%

I thought I was a better person. :lol:


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14 Jan 2013, 2:02 am

Narcissism 2.6 and 60.2%
Machiavellianism 2.5 and 54.9%
Psychopathy. 2.4 and 62.2%



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14 Jan 2013, 2:31 am

Narcissism: 2,2 42,4
Machiavellianism : 2,1 37,9
Psychopathy: 1,2 20,5

On the question: "On a scale from 0 to 100, enter how confident you are that yours answers accurately reflect who you are" I answered 40.

It's interesting how the test results differs from one end on the scale to the other!



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14 Jan 2013, 3:17 am

Narcissism 1.8 23.1%
Machiavellianism 1.9 29.4%
Psychopathy 2 47.7%

Well I thought, I would be a bit "more evil". :lol:
But I knew, that I'm not narcissistic at all, but slightly psychopathic, but still totally in the normal range.
So the test seems to be about right.


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