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11 Jan 2007, 6:00 am

logitechdog wrote:
I think he means the quackery defined = (medical practice and advice based on observation and experience in ignorance of scientific findings)




Yes, this was my intended meaning.



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11 Jan 2007, 6:40 am

Kosmonaut wrote:
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That does not make her a quack.


I never wrote that anyone was a quack. Just giving my opinion about a post.


I guess its a semantics argument if a person who makes a quackery posts is a quack. Anyway according to Logitechdog definetion of quackery a non-doctor making non-scientific claims is a quack so welcome to the quackery brotherhood
Kosmonaut. Sophist and I are printing your membership certificate up as I type. :D



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11 Jan 2007, 7:04 am

I was thinking it was semantics too. But I would need more than one post as evidence before labelling someone as a quack. I like to give people the benefit of doubt; 'quack, quack', indeed.



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11 Jan 2007, 10:00 am

walk-in-the-rain wrote:
I do not see that Aspies can not CHANGE some of their behavior once they know what the deficits are. That is different from saying that anyone who is on the spectrum is choosing to behave more/less on the spectrum. For instance if you have sensory overloads there is not alot you can do to change that per se - but you can learn to recognize the signals that you are getting overloaded or learn which situations led to that and decide what action to take from there. So you are not changing basic neurology - but your actions can alter the outcome of such. Similarly there are those on the spectrum who can learn by copying and studying NT behavior and seemingly "act" more NT. It usually takes some effort and often is not something that is easy to do over a long period of time because it requires alot of intense focus and control.


Exactly. When you know what the deficits are you know what to work on and can do it effectively.



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11 Jan 2007, 10:23 am

They aren't necessarily deficits. The only "deficit" I know of is the coordination! The social "deficit" is really more of a difference than a deficit. Same with almost every other negative thing.

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11 Jan 2007, 12:08 pm

SteveK wrote:
They aren't necessarily deficits. The only "deficit" I know of is the coordination! The social "deficit" is really more of a difference than a deficit. Same with almost every other negative thing.

Steve


That's one way of describing them but for me anyway to be truly happy in the long run is not to crash and burn by trying blindly to imitate normals (which of course never worked) but working with and around those differences, deficits, whatever you want to call them, to meet normals partway so at least we can communicate.



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11 Jan 2007, 12:31 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
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i think sophist's post is pure quackery.


WOW! I'm now trying to figure out whether you're trying to be blunt, honest, or insulting.

I hope it's just honesty, because you've managed to achieve the other two incredibly well.


I wasn't trying to be anything.
I do tend to be blunt & honest. Not meant as insulting.


I won't take it as an insult then but just honesty. :)

On a side note though, in order for something to be quackery, mustn't there be some scientific research on the subject to contradict it? To my understanding, I don't believe anyone's studied post-diagnosis behavior in adult auties, correct me if I am wrong in that respect.

I was strictly stating from observation and forgive me for having made a generalization out of it; I know not every autie is going to behave as I described. But from having been on these types of forums for several years, seen auties go through self-diagnosis and then often official diagnosis, I've noted frequent changes in personality as well as many newly diagnosed (official or otherwise) who are just a little too stereotypical.

I was stating from personal observation and unfortunately at the moment, that is the only available data to draw from.

However, from the number of agreements so far in this thread with my hypothesis, I don't feel I am incorrect to say that many newly diagnosed autistics do kind of display a "Stereotypical Syndrome". It's all about self-perception and accomodating a new concept into that self-perception. In many people, there's likely going to be some cognitive "pulling and tugging" until it's been accomodated.


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11 Jan 2007, 1:23 pm

I agree with Sophist. I noticed with myself in a few areas I became more autistic after I was diagnosed. Like I went out less, stayed home and declined social invitations more than usual. It didn't help around the same time several of my friends moved out of town so I felt like my main social outlet slipped away. I see it as the diagnosis says ok I'm Aspie and so its "normal" for an Aspie to isolate themselves so therefore I am allowed to do that. But it also becomes a bad excuse to over isolate and I think if it gets out of hand it becomes harming.

In truth I think the social isolation some Aspies experience has its beginnings in the rejection they experience and each day they withdraw a little more. Like a box turtle retracting into its shell and won't come back out. Sure we probably need a little more space than NT's but I still think a lot of us do want some interaction. Well obviously we do or we wouldn't be joining message boards like WP and wouldn't be looking for a girlfriend or boyfriend now would we?!

As for Brainiac her bf is causing her to feel as isolated as if she was an Aspie because he is having difficulty in participating in the world. This may be depression more than Aspergers. He may have other issues. This is why I still stand fast that people need to not rely on self diagnosis as an end all solution. I think you need to get bf into counseling of some sort, even just couples counseling. Otherwise what you are getting into is an emotionally abusive relationship where your bf is expecting you to remain isolated from your family and former friends. It's harmful for you AND for him. You both really need someone to talk to and to help him deal with his social problems. It is not healthy for you to have someone else control your life.

Best wishes!!



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11 Jan 2007, 3:05 pm

If you do have some sort of hypothesis about this 'tugging and pulling' condition, then i really wouldn't get too carried away by a few positive responses on an internet forum. It's not really a sound basis for scientific methodology.
Fair enough it is your personal experience, don't think that i am trying to denigrate that.
And some posters agree, whilst some do not.
I think it is a mistake to generalize, that's all.

As for the definition of quackery, i do not think you have to have rigorous scientific findings indicating otherwise. Just have to be in ignorance of methodology.