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29 Mar 2013, 12:27 pm

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That guy is a douche nozzle.


I love this.

I never have seen a douche (TMI?) but I think this is hysterical nonetheless.



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29 Mar 2013, 12:36 pm

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After four hours of tests and nearly no conversation with me, the doctor said I wasn't autistic.

"Autistics view other people as inanimate objects and understand only that they have feelings themselves. Not that other people do. You interact with people, you converse, and you have a sense of humor. You couldn't possibly be autistic."

He also told me that another sign was that when he gave me some plastic blocks with different colors on them it took me a minute or two to make them match a pattern on a printed sheet he gave me. He claimed an autistic person would have had the blocks arranged in seconds, so I can't possibly be autistic.

Does anyone here think this guy is 20 years behind the times?

Someone tell me, is this doctor a quack?

I'm devastated. I've suspected autism for years and a therapist (totally on his own) asked me if I'd ever been evaluated because he saw some indications. I figured an evaluation would only confirm what I've suspected. Now I don't know what to think.


Sounds like a quack to me since he didn't ask you about any of your behavior issues. Not being able to line up blocks in a certain amount of time is no proof you don't have autism since our traits vary so much. Tell this guy to fly a kite and find someone else that is more up to date on ASD.



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29 Mar 2013, 12:43 pm

Sethno wrote:
After four hours of tests and nearly no conversation with me, the doctor said I wasn't autistic.

"Autistics view other people as inanimate objects and understand only that they have feelings themselves. Not that other people do. You interact with people, you converse, and you have a sense of humor. You couldn't possibly be autistic."

He also told me that another sign was that when he gave me some plastic blocks with different colors on them it took me a minute or two to make them match a pattern on a printed sheet he gave me. He claimed an autistic person would have had the blocks arranged in seconds, so I can't possibly be autistic.

Does anyone here think this guy is 20 years behind the times?

Someone tell me, is this doctor a quack?

I'm devastated. I've suspected autism for years and a therapist (totally on his own) asked me if I'd ever been evaluated because he saw some indications. I figured an evaluation would only confirm what I've suspected. Now I don't know what to think.


When i was 4 years old in maybe 1984 or around then i remember going with my mother to take some test with blocks like that. Yes the man is outdated. I could do the blocks fast yet i don't understand why he would use them nowadays.

He sounds behind the times. Also when i went it seems it was to test me in preparation for kindergarten and i am not sure what or how i did on it, i know my iq was above normal 130s yet i still had learning disabilities in elementary school and a slew of other issues such as lack of social skills, not paying attention, behavioral problems....



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29 Mar 2013, 12:55 pm

Dirtdigger wrote:
Sounds like a quack to me since he didn't ask you about any of your behavior issues. Not being able to line up blocks in a certain amount of time is no proof you don't have autism since our traits vary so much. Tell this guy to fly a kite and find someone else that is more up to date on ASD.


He did talk to me for a few minutes but that was after telling me I wasn't autistic. I made some points to him about my reasons for thinking I was on the spectrum and why my therapist had the idea come to him.

The doctor's response?

"If you wanna be autistic, then be autistic."

It took so long to find this guy, I'm not sure what to do next. As mentioned, the insurance people aren't likely to let me get evaluated again any time soon, and that four hour test had my nerves shot long before it was over. Not so sure I'd ever want to go thru that again.

That once more leaves me wondering what to do now.

Already got a reply from the Asperger's Society, and they questioned his being "knowledgeable". They also asked for his name so that if he's in their database they can either delete him or at least attach a warning to their file on him.

I've got another appointment with my therapist coming up, and a visit with my own doctor a while after that. Gonna squawk a bit, and relate the comments you guys have made here.

As before, if anyone has any futher comments or suggestions, the door is open.

Thanks, guys.



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29 Mar 2013, 1:04 pm

It's odd that he would actually use colored blocks for the test...
Most doctors are more up to date and would use pictures of the blocks, etc.
From what you said the dr said, he does sound like a quack, he may not be that knowledgable when it comes to the Spectrum.
Most shrinks are well versed in various mental disorders, yet not all are experts in Autism Spectrum disorders.
If the psych hasn't updated his knowledge base to include Spectrum disorders, he is useless to helping those on the spectrum.



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29 Mar 2013, 1:11 pm

Chloe33 wrote:
It's odd that he would actually use colored blocks for the test...
Most doctors are more up to date and would use pictures of the blocks, etc.
From what you said the dr said, he does sound like a quack, he may not be that knowledgable when it comes to the Spectrum.
Most shrinks are well versed in various mental disorders, yet not all are experts in Autism Spectrum disorders.
If the psych hasn't updated his knowledge base to include Spectrum disorders, he is useless to helping those on the spectrum.


I'd say more about some things he told me about himself, his history, including his history as a doctor...

But that gets too close to revealing his name.

My therapist (who I did give all that info to) also questioned the doctor's being up to date regarding ASDs.



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29 Mar 2013, 2:10 pm

Sethno wrote:

He also told me that another sign was that when he gave me some plastic blocks with different colors on them it took me a minute or two to make them match a pattern on a printed sheet he gave me. He claimed an autistic person would have had the blocks arranged in seconds, so I can't possibly be autistic.



When I had my neuropsych evaluation, I really struggled with the block test. I was still diagnosed with mild autism.



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29 Mar 2013, 3:23 pm

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[Already got a reply from the Asperger's Society, and they questioned his being "knowledgeable". They also asked for his name so that if he's in their database they can either delete him or at least attach a warning to their file on him.


Is the Asperger's Society this place: http://www.aspergerssociety.org/ ? If so, I don't like the sound of them:

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"Aren't you finally ready to reclaim your own life … by helping your loved one conquer Asperger's Syndrome? Or would you rather waste the next ten, twenty or thirty+ years being bossed around by this nasty condition?"


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29 Mar 2013, 3:45 pm

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Is the Asperger's Society this place: http://www.aspergerssociety.org/ ? If so, I don't like the sound of them:



No.

Mine's a local group in my area. They don't actually have the word "Society" in their name.

They also do not seem to think the guy I saw knows what he's doing, now that I've told them about him.



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29 Mar 2013, 6:31 pm

"Autistics view other people as inanimate objects and understand only that they have feelings themselves"

I can only focus on parts of people, not the whole person, but I still know that a person is greater than the sum of their parts, I can only barely understand my own feelings, and I do not understand how other people experience their emotions, but I know that they experience something known as emotions. If I think something is extremely funny I might have an uncontrollable fit of laughter, which is actually a very disturbing experience for me because I do not like being out of control emotionally.

I have no idea what the deal is with your psychologist, I hope that you can find a good doctor who actually understands what it means to have Asperger's syndrome, I have a wife and three kids and i am retired USAF. I just got hired on as a bagger at the nearby military base commissary, and even though I served for twenty years and am nearly finished with a bachelors degree, I have never been happier in my life and have absolutely no desire to do anything else, that is what it means to be autistic.


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29 Mar 2013, 7:20 pm

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"Autistics view other people as inanimate objects and understand only that they have feelings themselves"

I can only focus on parts of people, not the whole person, but I still know that a person is greater than the sum of their parts, I can only barely understand my own feelings, and I do not understand how other people experience their emotions, but I know that they experience something known as emotions. If I think something is extremely funny I might have an uncontrollable fit of laughter, which is actually a very disturbing experience for me because I do not like being out of control emotionally.

I have no idea what the deal is with your psychologist, I hope that you can find a good doctor who actually understands what it means to have Asperger's syndrome, I have a wife and three kids and i am retired USAF. I just got hired on as a bagger at the nearby military base commissary, and even though I served for twenty years and am nearly finished with a bachelors degree, I have never been happier in my life and have absolutely no desire to do anything else, that is what it means to be autistic.


I like your post!


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29 Mar 2013, 7:46 pm

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Problem is, guys, I don't know who to go to now or what to do.

It took me months to find someone who'd take my insurance, and this had to happen.

Now I likely can't even get another evaluation, because I doubt the insurance people would pay for another. Not any time soon, anyway.

I'm even afraid now that this guy got my Social Security number.

Anyone have any advice on what my next step might be?

I've sent an e-mail to the Asperger's Society that was helping me try to find a doctor to do the evaluation and told them what happened and what the guy said.

Can't wait to hear what they say about it.


come here to the UK and get diagnosed on the NHS.


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29 Mar 2013, 8:01 pm

His comment seems about right for the most part.



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29 Mar 2013, 8:05 pm

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My therapist (who I did give all that info to) also questioned the doctor's being up to date regarding ASDs.


I'm glad you reported him, and others aren't treating you like it's nothing. This doctor needs to go back to school, have his license revoked, or both.

I hope the next person you see is more knowledgeable about ASD's. It's true that you need (a) a specialist and (b) one whose knowledge is up-to-date.


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29 Mar 2013, 8:12 pm

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Are the claims he made untrue?


Also yes, or at the very least, stereotypical. Autism is a "spectrum" for a reason--no two people with some form of it are exactly the same. He probably would have said the same thing about me.

Get a second opinion. Find someone who actually specializes in ASDs and has kept up on the literature (not sure how to check that one).

However, yes, this guy is completely clueless and incompetent, IMO. I can't believe he's still allowed to practice anything. What he said sounded like the ignorant remarks of some "laypeople" I've encountered who don't know any better...but then, they don't "have to." :x


Get a second, third or fourth opinion if necessary. This man sounds like an incompetent twat.



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29 Mar 2013, 10:01 pm

The reality is that not everyone is Autistic just because they say they are.


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