Why is there no discussion about curing NT Bigotry?
I don't think there's so much NT bigotry against AS folks. I think it's more that NT folks aren't aware of AS or HFA, and mis-interpret some of the awkward social behavior.
That's the way I see it as well. Having AS is a bit like living in a different country where you're still learning the native culture and language.It's bound to create some misunderstandings,but it's not to say you can't learn to be fluent.Of course it would also help if others were more aware of what it's like to be autistic,but it's not their fault.As for bullies and bigots,I wouldn't credit them with the label 'neurotypical' as it's simply not true that it's 'typical' to be a bully and bigot. If you look at what happened in the
recent Big Brother controversy in the UK,there was allegedly bullying by 3 of
the so-called celebrities against someone from a different culture (in this case Indian rather than AS ) but it led to 40,000 complaints from the public against the bullies.I'd say those 40,000 who took the trouble to intervene are more typical of the general population than the 3 perpetrators. In any case,having AS doesn't mean that
we can somehow be excused if we ever descend to the very level of bigoted outlook that we supposedly see in others.
well, that was a little harsh! nazi is extremely harsh! 'nazi' would mean "all aspies must die because they aren't like us" i don't think they show any harsh feelings towards us, unless they made the average school-yard bullies illigal, maybe, i think it's a combo of them not understanding us AND us not understanding them...
why do you feel this way?
Well, as I see it: since we are the minority we cannot expect the majority to redesign their society to fit us. But we can learn to adapt, and probably well enough.
Most of my friends know that i carry a little left rudder, but are alright with that. Which is to say that not all NTs are like all NTs. Some are okay. Even okay with one of us. And i doubt they wanna be cured any more than do we.
Can't we all just get aslong?
I will say that age has something to do with it, fwiw. I hope this doesn't offend, but many, if not most young NTs are completely self absorbed, superficial, and obnoxious. Most develop greater empathy in their late teens, early 20s, and become more tolerable, and eventually, many become kind and compassionate people. Some, of course, never evolve to this point, but I think you'll find that as you age out of high school, make your way through college and into adult life, you'll find that your same age peers will become less ostracizing and more accepting of those of you who are "different".
Of course, if the folks proclaiming that all NTs are bad are in their 40s or something, than I guess my assessment is pretty meaningless!
FOr all kids who have trouble socially, I would just say hang on through high school - it gets better in college, and if you can find a profession that you're intellectually well suited for, you may find that your collegues are among the most agreeable folks you'll ever know - NT or otherwise.
I am 27, believe me, it doesn't get better in age. There is very little difference in highschool and the "real world". I am not saying every NT person is a jackass, but I will say that those who aren't related to someone with autism are 99% of the time biggoted towards autism, either subtly or outright. We're still not any more accepted, people just deal with us more. I could walk in from a rainstorm drenched and yell that it's raining outside, and everyone would swear it's sunny and pretty outside. I am a shadow, my voice is not equal to that of a NT person's in this society.
I think this is where alot of the anti-NT sentiment comes from. Because even those who are there to "help us", you know, "advocacy" and sometimes even parents, treat us like we're 5 yrs old forever. No matter how well I can pay bills, take on my responsibilities, etc, I will never be treated like an equal or like an adult. Most of those advocacy people aren't really in it because they care, theyr in it because it gives them a sub-conscious feeling of superiority.
Generally almost the only NTs I trust are pro acceptance relatives of aspies. I mean I'll give everyone the benefit of a doubt, but lets face it. Aspies are held under a prejudiced society, and often the "caretakers" are just as prejudiced as the kids who bully us in hoghschools, theyr just more subtle about it. Kinda like how Native Americans and blacks generally developed a bad taste in their mouth about white people. Aspies want equality, real equality, but to the "caretakers" and "advocates" equality for us appears to be more like 10/90 than 50/50.
You think Hitler was NT?
Do you honestly believe that someone who was not good at reading other people could do that?
Of course, he was NT. He surely was not autistic, at any rate.
That's not to say that all NT's are evil. But you certainly can be NT and evil.
NT does not mean NOT AUTISTIC it means neuro-typical. There was nothing typical about his brain or it's function.
I think you all need to be cured of your hateful comments toward 'NT' people. They're human for f*ck's sake!! Like us!! So stop with the negative comments towards our race!! 'NT' people are NOT evil. Evil isn't real. Only in fiction.
There, I've been needed to get that out for awhile.

There, I've been needed to get that out for awhile.
Do you think Hitler and Stalin were nice men?
You think Hitler was NT?
Do you honestly believe that someone who was not good at reading other people could do that?
Of course, he was NT. He surely was not autistic, at any rate.
That's not to say that all NT's are evil. But you certainly can be NT and evil.
NT does not mean NOT AUTISTIC it means neuro-typical. There was nothing typical about his brain or it's function.
I read in the dictionary that it means not autistic.

There, I've been needed to get that out for awhile.
Do you think Hitler and Stalin were nice men?
Thank you RedMage, this us vs. the NT's BS is stupid. IT shows peoples ignorance. It's fine if they want to be totally ignorant. These certain individuals want to b***h and complain about NT's and for what? Do they actually gain anything?
Starbuline, what does Hitler and Stalin have to do with anything?

There, I've been needed to get that out for awhile.
Do you think Hitler and Stalin were nice men?
Thank you RedMage, this us vs. the NT's BS is stupid. IT shows peoples ignorance. It's fine if they want to be totally ignorant. These certain individuals want to b***h and complain about NT's and for what? Do they actually gain anything?
Starbuline, what does Hitler and Stalin have to do with anything?
Read everything you just quoted.
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I did not read but the first few posts in this thread but I wanted to say:
What about AS makes a person less likely to be a bigot?
Some theories maybe we care less about looks or often trust people when we should not.
Also I'm not saying I think aspie are less likely to be bigots either.
Well said. Complaining about things gets people nowhere.
How should I know?
Ok, I'm not condoning blanket statements about NTs, BUT, this crap about "evil is perception" is stupid. Hitler and Stalin were evil, plain and simple. Evil is defined by making an innocent sentient being suffer for any reason other than immediate self or human preservation. It's that simple. "Just because you feel like it" isn't a reason to murder. And no, evil isn't neccessary to define good, it's an excuse that this barbaric species uses to justify their evil "if there's no evil we can't define good without anything to compare it to". That is a f*****g load of horse s**t. Common since should tell you it's wrong to force someone to suffer or die just because you have a bloodlust. It's also wrong that society blatantly turns a blind eye to those who are suffering, right now we COULD end hunger with cloning technology, we COULD stop involuntary celibacy, and thereby stop alot of mental illness which tears at society's fabric. We COULD use all this money we're throwing into wars to instead cure diseases. But we don't, because people are evil, plain and simple.
But I'm willing to bet you'd think it was pretty evil if ***YOU*** were being starved, overworked. beaten, thrown into a gas chamber or an oven.
How should I know?
Ok, I'm not condoning blanket statements about NTs, BUT, this crap about "evil is perception" is stupid. Hitler and Stalin were evil, plain and simple. Evil is defined by making an innocent sentient being suffer for any reason other than immediate self or human preservation. It's that simple. "Just because you feel like it" isn't a reason to murder. And no, evil isn't neccessary to define good, it's an excuse that this barbaric species uses to justify their evil "if there's no evil we can't define good without anything to compare it to". That is a f***ing load of horse s**t. Common since should tell you it's wrong to force someone to suffer or die just because you have a bloodlust. It's also wrong that society blatantly turns a blind eye to those who are suffering, right now we COULD end hunger with cloning technology, we COULD stop involuntary celibacy, and thereby stop alot of mental illness which tears at society's fabric. We COULD use all this money we're throwing into wars to instead cure diseases. But we don't, because people are evil, plain and simple.
But I'm willing to bet you'd think it was pretty evil if ***YOU*** were being starved, overworked. beaten, thrown into a gas chamber or an oven.
THANK YOU. That was the point I was tying to deliver.
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