Autism-Spectrum Disorder Reversed in Mice

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10 Feb 2007, 1:40 pm

looks like retts syndrome and autism are going into the same box to me wich means its the same thing.


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10 Feb 2007, 1:46 pm

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looks like retts syndrome and autism are going into the same box to me wich means its the same thing.

No, "Autistic disorder" is going into the "Autistic spectrum disorder" box. Rett syndrome is going into the "Pervasive developmental disorder" box, as is "Autistic spectrum disorder." This means they have some features in common rather than being the same condition.

It's like birds. There are song birds, birds of prey, penguins, ostriches, etc. A barn owl and a bald eagle may both be birds of prey, but this does not mean that both of them are eagles just because the bald eagle is or that they're both owls just because the barn owl is.

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10 Feb 2007, 1:54 pm

okay well where is the autistic spectrum disorder box going into? and where is retts syndrome going into? it doesnt matter were you begin, but rather were you end up. its the same thing dude. its just seen only in girls


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10 Feb 2007, 2:46 pm

richardbenson wrote:
okay well where is the autistic spectrum disorder box going into? and where is retts syndrome going into? it doesnt matter were you begin, but rather were you end up. its the same thing dude. its just seen only in girls

The same box also goes into the more general "Developmental disorder" along with "Specific developmental disorder." By your logic, dyslexia is also the same thing as autism. Rett syndrome is not the female version of autism. Girls with autism are diagnosed with autism, Asperger' syndrome, atypical autism, or PDD-NOS just like boys. Rett syndrome is something else.

I think this has been explained to death now. The chart is there, and it's very clear.



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10 Feb 2007, 2:51 pm

yes when it comes down to it all of them are develoupmental disorders


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10 Feb 2007, 3:15 pm

either way, its good news for the mice! :)



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10 Feb 2007, 4:03 pm

richardbenson wrote:
okay well where is the autistic spectrum disorder box going into? and where is retts syndrome going into? it doesnt matter were you begin, but rather were you end up. its the same thing dude. its just seen only in girls


MY GOD!! !! Do you realize that what you just said makes NO sense??????

FIRST you say that if autism is a PDD and rett is a PDD then rett is autism!! !! !!
THEN you say "its just seen only in girls"! !! !! MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

So WHY doesn't that second line make sense? BECAUSE, using your reasoning from the first line means that..... if boys are human and girls are human then girls are boys!

So if it is only seen in girls(and thus in boys), then what is the point of specifying that it seen there? Are you saying it is only found in humans?

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10 Feb 2007, 4:54 pm

In genetics, Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) = Aspergers, autism, PDD-NOS.
Rett syndrome is not considered relevant to genetic research on ASD as it is etiologically distinct.
However, there are some interesting epigenetic similarities (mechanisms other than the primary DNA string that influence phenotype) being revealed.



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10 Feb 2007, 4:59 pm

you've just made me lose track


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10 Feb 2007, 6:03 pm

Sorry, I was agreeing that Retts is a PDD, as are autism, Aspergers and PDD-NOS, but that, although the title of the article implies something else, Retts is NOT an autism spectrum disorder, and is not seen as such in genetic research.
I am very interested in the genetics of autism, so as a curiosity, I mentioned that there are actually some epigenetic similarities between ASD and Retts, which will have to be explored furthere in the future.