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31 Dec 2013, 2:52 pm

I've never encountered the taking on aspie persona or forming aspie clique thing offline, but I believe people when they say that they have encountered it, esp. in high school. People who take on the persona wouldn't ackshuly act like autistic people, they would just act however they act to be qoool in their cliques.

In real world, I have seen nerd/geek/dork = autism thing taken a bit too far, when people who have mild autistic traits of bap think that these are the stronger autistic traits on the spectrum and misunderstand autism that way. And the more nt people are more prone to this, because a social deficit that an autistic person would be oblivious to and not have any emotional reaction is a much bigger deal to a bap or nt person.


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31 Dec 2013, 3:27 pm

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Whenever I hear on TV about AS I only hear about clumsy, socially awkwards people with high IQs that get bullied and like video-games and computers. Reason why many "nerdy" teens think they could have Asperger's. I've never heard on TV about issues with facial expressions/body language, sensory issues, obsessions that prevent you from focusing on anything else, accademic difficulties, meltdowns, shutdowns, executive dysfunction. Reason why many nerdy teens who are not good at sports, get straight As and get bullied think they have Asperger's.


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31 Dec 2013, 3:37 pm

OP, your complaint about the growing number of wannabe-aspies is rather like a cancer patient complaining about how terrible the side-effects are of the drug that is curing him.

The rise in numbers of wannabe-aspies is an inevitable side effect of the massive rise in public awareness of what AS actually is.

As public knowledge of aspergers grows, so misdiagnoses and misunderstandings will as well. This is just common sense.

For every 1 person who misdiagnoses themselves with AS and acts like an idiot about it, there will be perhaps 10 people who think and talk intelligently about the issue.

Do you want to stop the massive flow of public awareness and the huge amount of good it is doing, just to get rid of the irritating wannabes?



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31 Dec 2013, 3:47 pm

The very basic thing that I am pointing out is the fact that misconceptions do exist. I think that the most dangerous misconception so far was portraying Adam Lanza as having aspergers, and that was probably because he was withdrawn... It doesn't matter that it is not a fact, but a rumor, it doesn't matter if it's later refuted, once it's out in the media, it sticks, and the image is hard to change. In today's world, perceptions are far more relevant and important than facts.

@TheygoMew
Thank you very much for thorough explanation and input, it is very useful to me to see such information as I am looking for answers. I do recognize myself in many symptoms, but I am reluctant to give any conclusions about my conditions. There was a time when I was desperate to get diagnosis (and it's not easy to get one where I live) just so I could know - I am this and that, everything fits now, than I can be accepted at least somewhere. I don't think many people will fake symptoms, no, they do have problems. But some diagnosis are better than others. It would be easier to accept that I am the way I am because I was born that way than thinking thing could've been different if it only....Sometimes it's worse when you have an option than when you don't have one.
I mean, I can't be possessive of being an aspie when I might not be, it wouldn't be fair to those who are...

However, I don't want to point fingers at anyone because I can't get in others' head.



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31 Dec 2013, 3:59 pm

foxfield wrote:
Do you want to stop the massive flow of public awareness and the huge amount of good it is doing, just to get rid of the irritating wannabes?


Of course not, and I agree with what you said. I just thought that it is a topic that needs some attention. And, I don't think about wannabes much, I think that people have problems, that are not necessarily autism related, and they need different approach.

I don't think there are many wannabes after they learn about condition. But I believe, if for example, parents know that something is wrong with their child, they would be happier to hear - your child is high functioning autistic than, your child is a psychopath or, he has a hints of schizophrenia or simply - your parenting may not be the best.
I read so many articles that say - aspies are like little professors, just slightly social inept. I know that it's not the truth, but that's what many say, it's not something I made up.

So, I do believe it's important to work on public awareness, and that is also the reason hy I believe this forum is very important.



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31 Dec 2013, 4:32 pm

Public awareness for a group of people who don't want attention.

Why not make narcissism awareness with the freaking ribbons? Those people love attention.



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31 Dec 2013, 4:51 pm

I think that public awareness ratio mentioned earlier is reversed: for each person who talks intelligently on the topic and uses time and effort to become well-informed, there are 10 people who know little and blab nonsense.


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31 Dec 2013, 4:57 pm

You can't really make anything without negative side effects...



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31 Dec 2013, 4:58 pm

I cannot comprehend why there are people braging about having a neurological problem (Autism-Asperger's or any other part of the spectrum), it's very discriminating towards the actual Autistic group because they (self-diagnosers) make it "seem" like it's easy to have and that their problems aren't serious. Just because they took a test indicating towards them having a Autistic disorder doesn't mean that it's reliable/accurate and the real testing you take with a proffesional physchiatrist is very complicated compared with a few questions on the internet. It's really disturbing to even see that there are people in this forum with "Have Asperger's - Undiagnosed" on their profile, how can you have it if it's not tested by a psychiatrist?

Many uses these disorders as a excuse for their real life issues which is bloody wrong ethically speaking and more of a attention issue. I myself do not know wether I have it or not because there isn't any reliable tests in the internet to take so I will simply wait for the physchiatrist to contact me soon and discuss my problems, it's simply way to complicated to just put it up in a website and that's why it says "Not sure wether I have it or not", undiagnosing is plain wrong and shouldn't stay in existance unless you're 100% sure that you have it and that others are making assumptions about it. The media should really stop simplifying these kind of serious things I have to agree with you, it creates misunderstanding.

What's next? Will the majority of the humanity suddenly become Autistic? BS. :x

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31 Dec 2013, 5:03 pm

Agathon wrote:
The very basic thing that I am pointing out is the fact that misconceptions do exist. I think that the most dangerous misconception so far was portraying Adam Lanza as having aspergers, and that was probably because he was withdrawn... It doesn't matter that it is not a fact, but a rumor, it doesn't matter if it's later refuted, once it's out in the media, it sticks, and the image is hard to change. In today's world, perceptions are far more relevant and important than facts.

@TheygoMew
Thank you very much for thorough explanation and input, it is very useful to me to see such information as I am looking for answers. I do recognize myself in many symptoms, but I am reluctant to give any conclusions about my conditions. There was a time when I was desperate to get diagnosis (and it's not easy to get one where I live) just so I could know - I am this and that, everything fits now, than I can be accepted at least somewhere. I don't think many people will fake symptoms, no, they do have problems. But some diagnosis are better than others. It would be easier to accept that I am the way I am because I was born that way than thinking thing could've been different if it only....Sometimes it's worse when you have an option than when you don't have one.
I mean, I can't be possessive of being an aspie when I might not be, it wouldn't be fair to those who are...

However, I don't want to point fingers at anyone because I can't get in others' head.


Lanza did have Aspergers with all the trimmings. Sensory(noise,touch, smell), routine, special interests, hyperfocus etc. There are other threads with the links confirming it.


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31 Dec 2013, 5:07 pm

I have a vision of these on cars. Just made it :D

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31 Dec 2013, 5:15 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Agathon wrote:
Lanza did have Aspergers with all the trimmings. Sensory(noise,touch, smell), routine, special interests, hyperfocus etc. There are other threads with the links confirming it.


Interesting...haven't seen that but I'll check it up.



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31 Dec 2013, 5:19 pm

TheygoMew wrote:
I have a vision of these on cars. Just made it :D

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Well, I think one should be aware of a sociopath :)



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31 Dec 2013, 5:26 pm

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31 Dec 2013, 5:29 pm

Ackshuly, I know quite a few self-diagnosed people in real life, and they are not causing problems for others like diagnosed people.


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31 Dec 2013, 5:32 pm

TheygoMew wrote:
Public awareness for a group of people who don't want attention.

Why not make narcissism awareness with the freaking ribbons? Those people love attention.

I cringe when I see the Autism Speaks Canada toques (winter hats) that have the new blue logo on the front with the catch phrase "It's Time to Listen" on the back.

I have spent my entire life trying to hide in plain sight, that is my best case scenario. Acceptance and understanding would be nice, but unrealistic.

It would also be nice if they actually wanted to listen to me.

At least they got rid of that awful multi-coloured logo.


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