Why do people here assume all ASD diagnoses are correct?

Page 3 of 7 [ 102 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

dikwodd
Emu Egg
Emu Egg

User avatar

Joined: 26 Jan 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 8
Location: somewere

27 Jan 2014, 3:16 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Your old friend reminds me of my ex.
hehehe!



dianthus
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Nov 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,138

27 Jan 2014, 3:18 pm

I think DevilKisses has excellent reasons to question her diagnosis, but I have noticed when she writes about those reasons, other people tend to overlook or ignore those reasons and go on talking about why she must have it. It's as if people just assume she is in denial, rather than really hearing her out and understanding what she is saying.

I would say that people honor an official diagnosis, because some respect professional opinions as a kind of ultimate authority, but that's really not the issue here. Like she said, people talk about being misdiagnosed with other disorders. According to general consensus here you could be misdiagnosed with practically anything else. But not autism. People sometimes act like this is the end all, be all diagnosis.



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,952
Location:      

27 Jan 2014, 5:39 pm

corvuscorax wrote:
... someone implied they were self diagnosed ...

No one made any such implication. You've inferred too much.



CivilSam
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 31 Dec 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 168
Location: Maine

27 Jan 2014, 6:57 pm

Why would one assume being diagnosed with cancer is correct? Sometimes the tests are incorrect.
Why would one assume being diagnosed with bi polar depression is correct?
Why would one assume being diagnosed with anything as correct? In every diagnosis there is a % of being miss diagnosed.
I once went to the hospital from work because right under my rib hurt when i lifted heavy things.
I was miss diagnosed 4 different times at the ER until they decided maybe i didn't have heart burn and had a pinched nerve.
I don't really know where I am going with this anymore. I guess I'm just saying that if someone has an official diagnosis by a specialist then the specialist probably has a better idea then we do when it comes to judging if others have it.

Now from a personal opinion of mine and this is just an opinion and in no way is fact, if you believe your diagnosis is wrong then go for it. It is your choice to reject a diagnosis much like you can reject medication or if someone tells you that you have cancer. It's all from your perspective and you have a right to say nope, I do not. Also, I don't agree with online tests. I'm sorry, I believe they can point you in the correct directions but I just don't believe in their accuracy. I do not mean to offend.


_________________
Good guys don't care what place they finish; only jerks do. - Me


Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

27 Jan 2014, 7:48 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Citation needed.



DevilKisses
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Jul 2010
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,067
Location: Canada

27 Jan 2014, 7:53 pm

Verdandi wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Citation needed.

It is difficult to find citations for that. Especially if the misdiagnosed people are still considered autistic.


_________________
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 82 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 124 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical


Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

27 Jan 2014, 8:00 pm

billiscool wrote:
I agree with the op.BPD is always ''misdiagnosis''but never ASD.


There are many rational reasons for not wanting to be diagnosed with any personality disorder. They have significant stigma, for example. In the US, insurance is not required to cover treatments for PDs under the assumption that there are no effective treatments. This is despite the fact that there are effective treatments for people who have BPD.

There's also stigma with other people, who - if they know you have been diagnosed with BPD - will reframe everything you do in that lens. Everything becomes "manipulative" or a "attention seeking" and actual legitimate issues get swept aside in favor of writing someone off as deliberately causing drama.

It's also unfortunately not unusual for autistic women to be misdiagnosed with BPD first.

http://aspertypical.wordpress.com/tag/b ... th-autism/
http://autismwomensnetwork.org/article/ ... g-it-right
http://www.emergenceplus.org.uk/carers- ... nosis.html
http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php ... Itemid=720



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

27 Jan 2014, 8:04 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Citation needed.

It is difficult to find citations for that. Especially if the misdiagnosed people are still considered autistic.


I guess what I mean is that there should be statistical studies showing this tendency. I don't think they exist, however, and am dubious as to whether misdiagnosis exists on such a large - global, even - scale.

I am not arguing that no one is ever misdiagnosed with autism. I think that if you honestly believe you are misdiagnosed you have very good reasons for thinking so. I hope you can resolve your questions because having been in a position of diagnostic uncertainty, I can relate. You wouldn't be the first here to come to this conclusion, nor the last. You would also not be the first to be vindicated in such a conclusion. I am sorry that people are trying to push you back into the autism box and not helping you.



DevilKisses
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Jul 2010
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,067
Location: Canada

27 Jan 2014, 8:06 pm

Verdandi wrote:
billiscool wrote:
I agree with the op.BPD is always ''misdiagnosis''but never ASD.


There are many rational reasons for not wanting to be diagnosed with any personality disorder. They have significant stigma, for example. In the US, insurance is not required to cover treatments for PDs under the assumption that there are no effective treatments. This is despite the fact that there are effective treatments for people who have BPD.

There's also stigma with other people, who - if they know you have been diagnosed with BPD - will reframe everything you do in that lens. Everything becomes "manipulative" or a "attention seeking" and actual legitimate issues get swept aside in favor of writing someone off as deliberately causing drama.

It's also unfortunately not unusual for autistic women to be misdiagnosed with BPD first.

http://aspertypical.wordpress.com/tag/b ... th-autism/
http://autismwomensnetwork.org/article/ ... g-it-right
http://www.emergenceplus.org.uk/carers- ... nosis.html
http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php ... Itemid=720

That is the same reason I hate being labelled with autism. All my problems are related to autism symptoms or co-morbids, no matter what. Even if I explicitly tell people that they have nothing to do with autism.


_________________
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 82 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 124 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical


Ettina
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2011
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,971

27 Jan 2014, 8:07 pm

Quote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Ever considered that autism may have simply been underdiagnosed earlier?



tall-p
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Dec 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,155

27 Jan 2014, 8:48 pm

Verdandi wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Citation needed.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/asp ... rdiagnosed the posted comments are interesting also

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/opini ... nosis.html Paul Steinberg's article in the NYTimes.


_________________
Everything is falling.


ZombieBrideXD
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Jan 2013
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,507
Location: Canada

27 Jan 2014, 8:49 pm

Ettina wrote:
Quote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Ever considered that autism may have simply been underdiagnosed earlier?


that is something to consider, doctors are starting to look at more milder cases today more than ever, people here in their 50s and 60s are being diagnosed and should've been diagnosed when they were children, i forgot about that.


_________________
Obsessing over Sonic the Hedgehog since 2009
Diagnosed with Aspergers' syndrome in 2012.
Diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder Level 1 severity without intellectual disability and without language impairment in 2015.

DA: http://mephilesdark123.deviantart.com


CivilSam
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 31 Dec 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 168
Location: Maine

27 Jan 2014, 8:56 pm

tall-p wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Citation needed.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/asp ... rdiagnosed the posted comments are interesting also

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/opini ... nosis.html Paul Steinberg's article in the NYTimes.


I'm confused by the first article.
It seemed with the qoutes of the other poster that they needed citation of over diagnosis of autism or aspergers. This lead me to believe that the links are to show an article related to over diagnosing autism and aspergers. I took the time to read the first article and this is mostly saying it is not. "People who claim that Asperger's is over-diagnosed should spend some time with some of those people. They would then understand the damage and prejudice that such short-sighted articles can create." There is more in there too. So, I guess I am confused with the flow of posted quote to quote to quote. it was first this is being over diagnoised to ok show me citation to this first link which says it is not. Sorry, I just don't get the flow here. I am now confused.


_________________
Good guys don't care what place they finish; only jerks do. - Me


Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

27 Jan 2014, 8:58 pm

tall-p wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Citation needed.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/asp ... rdiagnosed the posted comments are interesting also

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/opini ... nosis.html Paul Steinberg's article in the NYTimes.


The first article is about the second article and questions the assumptions stated in the second article. I would definitely recommend reading the NYTimes link followed by the Psychology Today link, for full context.



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

27 Jan 2014, 9:02 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
Ettina wrote:
Quote:
i think a lot of people are Misdiagnosed with autism, the diagnoses had grown significantly in just a small amount of time which is very suspicious


Ever considered that autism may have simply been underdiagnosed earlier?


that is something to consider, doctors are starting to look at more milder cases today more than ever, people here in their 50s and 60s are being diagnosed and should've been diagnosed when they were children, i forgot about that.


And there isn't a short list of ways to be autistic. Autistic people still have personalities of our own beyond the diagnosis. As a group, we're pretty diverse. :)

My parents actively prevented me from being diagnosed with autism (DSM-III) as a child, or with anything else. It was an actual concern that was brought up to my mother but she deemed it impossible because I was ~too smart~ to have any developmental or learning disabilities. I'm not sure if things would have been different for me if I had been properly evaluated and diagnosed at that age, but I know that the way things went was not great.



tall-p
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Dec 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,155

27 Jan 2014, 9:51 pm

CivilSam wrote:
I'm confused by the first article.
It seemed with the qoutes of the other poster that they needed citation of over diagnosis of autism or aspergers. This lead me to believe that the links are to show an article related to over diagnosing autism and aspergers. I took the time to read the first article and this is mostly saying it is not. "People who claim that Asperger's is over-diagnosed should spend some time with some of those people. They would then understand the damage and prejudice that such short-sighted articles can create." There is more in there too. So, I guess I am confused with the flow of posted quote to quote to quote. it was first this is being over diagnoised to ok show me citation to this first link which says it is not. Sorry, I just don't get the flow here. I am now confused.

As pointed out by Verdandi the second URL is discussed and mentioned often in the first post... so the second url should probably be read first. Sorry for the sloppy post.

This question about whether or not Asperger's has been "over diagnosed" has been around for many years. And even a cursory glance at WP one can see the importance an "official diagnose" holds for many.


_________________
Everything is falling.