Do NTs have trouble understanding "absolutes"?
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neobluex wrote:
You are confusing "absolute" with "science" or "social".
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Those are different uses of language.
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qawer wrote:
"That plant has green and blue colours" (scientific, absolute view)
"I like the blue colour of that plant" (social, non-absolute view)
"I like the blue colour of that plant" (social, non-absolute view)
Those are different uses of language.
absolutes = details = scientific thinking (People are separated, and hence equal)
non-absolutes = wholes = social thinking (People are one big group, hence not equal)
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
qawer wrote:
Thinking in non-absolutes is superior for the purpose of socialization. That is an advantage and a necessity for group-hunters.
Thinking in absolutes is superior for the purpose of being content in your own company. That is an advantage and a necessity for solo-hunters.
These two ways of thinking is what brings about different social structures (group vs. lone).
So yes, NTs have more trouble accepting absolutes, as well as people with AS have more trouble accepting non-absolutes.
Everything can be seen as absolute as well as non-absolute depending on whether you view them as "scientific" or "in a social light".
E.g.
"That plant has green and blue colours" (scientific, absolute view)
"I like the blue colour of that plant" (social, non-absolute view)
Thinking in absolutes is superior for the purpose of being content in your own company. That is an advantage and a necessity for solo-hunters.
These two ways of thinking is what brings about different social structures (group vs. lone).
So yes, NTs have more trouble accepting absolutes, as well as people with AS have more trouble accepting non-absolutes.
Everything can be seen as absolute as well as non-absolute depending on whether you view them as "scientific" or "in a social light".
E.g.
"That plant has green and blue colours" (scientific, absolute view)
"I like the blue colour of that plant" (social, non-absolute view)
You raise a good point here. I remember, back when I was in elementary/middle school, they tried to teach us how to do mental math/estimation. Everyone else seemed to have no problems with it, but I struggled with it since I simply wasn't used to approximating things. I always wanted my answers to be exact, right on the dot, but everyone else seemed fine with having things be "close enough". Since I expended the extra energy to come up with exact answers rather than simply approximating, it slowed me down a lot compared to the other students, and as a result of this, the teachers tried to discourage me from being so precise, but this just lead to further frustration, on top of the frustration I already had with simply attempting purely mental calculations.
When they FINALLY ditched the mental math lessons and allowed us to start using calculators, it was great in some ways, but at the same time, they mainly started allowing us to use calculators because the new concepts they were teaching us were far more complex than the old ones, so as a result I was still frustrated by my math work.
I should also point out that one of the biggest reasons why I hated math so much in school was because a lot of the concepts they tried teaching us simply seemed illogical to me. The other kids were fine with them, and would just go along with them seemingly without questioning how much sense they actually made, but I found that I can't really go along with things UNLESS they actually make sense to me. This is actually much the same reason why I don't practice any sort of a religion; for years none of the major religions really made any sense to me, and when I finally started understanding some of their underlying concepts, I didn't like most of them, as they often clashed with my personal beliefs and morals.
But in a nutshell, it seems to me that NTs are more willing to just "go along" with things, make approximations, and not worry so much about things making sense, as compared to aspies.
completely was in the same situation with math when I was younger. I also feel the same about religion.
I can't even grasp religion. Why do people follow it and have it dictate their lives and their opinions? I like to be free and make my own choices and live however I want.
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League_Girl wrote:
I can't even grasp religion. Why do people follow it and have it dictate their lives and their opinions? I like to be free and make my own choices and live however I want.
Its funny cause I KNOW right from wrong without a book telling me. I do not understand either why people put so much into religion.
qawer wrote:
absolutes = details = scientific thinking (People are separated, and hence equal)
non-absolutes = wholes = social thinking (People are one big group, hence not equal)
non-absolutes = wholes = social thinking (People are one big group, hence not equal)
Absolute: universally valid, viewed without relation to other things.
Non-Absolute: dependent on something else.
neobluex wrote:
qawer wrote:
absolutes = details = scientific thinking (People are separated, and hence equal)
non-absolutes = wholes = social thinking (People are one big group, hence not equal)
non-absolutes = wholes = social thinking (People are one big group, hence not equal)
Absolute: universally valid, viewed without relation to other things.
Non-Absolute: dependent on something else.
Indeed, I agree (:
inachildsmind wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I can't even grasp religion. Why do people follow it and have it dictate their lives and their opinions? I like to be free and make my own choices and live however I want.
Its funny cause I KNOW right from wrong without a book telling me. I do not understand either why people put so much into religion.
Yes! I was brought up without absolutes.(My mother was a real anarchist). I am working on accepting them at certain points. My disregard of authoriative arguments piss people off, and I have a hell accepting orders, unless I get a reasonable explanation.
In a war situation/catastrophy, I´d know better, though

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Jensen wrote:
inachildsmind wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I can't even grasp religion. Why do people follow it and have it dictate their lives and their opinions? I like to be free and make my own choices and live however I want.
Its funny cause I KNOW right from wrong without a book telling me. I do not understand either why people put so much into religion.
Yes! I was brought up without absolutes.(My mother was a real anarchist). I am working on accepting them at certain points. My disregard of authoriative arguments piss people off, and I have a hell accepting orders, unless I get a reasonable explanation.
In a war situation/catastrophy, I´d know better, though


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