Page 3 of 3 [ 42 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Posts: 39,637
Location: Long Island, New York

31 Mar 2014, 2:13 am

The_Walrus wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you disagree with the hypothesis?

Yes. I happen to think there is no difference between Aspergers and autism (as do the folks behind the DSM). The brief existence of separate diagnoses is something future people will find bemusing.


I believe in the future at best people will be wondering why the Autism community went along with destroying a psychological treatment method that was so helpful for people at worst they will be wondering why the Autistic community went along with an idea that put Autism back in the 1970's when because of lack of knowledge many people not "classical" were un and misdiagnosed an era I remember well. I am not just being paranoid. The person who diagnosed me attended discussions where the change was discussed. It was about insurance


_________________
“Self Acceptance is a process not a performance”
“You are autistic enough. And you always have been”

Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.


Last edited by ASPartOfMe on 31 Mar 2014, 12:10 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Waterfalls
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jun 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,075

31 Mar 2014, 6:53 am

When you read the new DSM descriptions, it is also clearly about disempowering. The emphasis on "needing support" appears greater than it is for any other diagnosis. IMO the goal is to make the diagnosis seem more negative and discourage anyone from accepting it for themselves or their loved one. And yes, I agree, that is about money.

Just really ugly to save money by disempowering a group with so little for trying to gain self respect.



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

31 Mar 2014, 8:36 am

LOL.....going off topic from the topic which was off the original topic, though DSM V should be discussed as well.

If one were able to combine the positive qualities of Autism and Asperger's in one person, that person would be quite special, indeed. Having both verbal and physical intelligence! An engineer and a poet!



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

31 Mar 2014, 8:36 am

LOL.....going off topic from the topic which was off the original topic, though DSM V should be discussed as well.

If one were able to combine the positive qualities of Autism and Asperger's in one person, that person would be quite special, indeed. Having both verbal and physical intelligence! An engineer and a poet!



naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 71
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

31 Mar 2014, 6:00 pm

The OP is just saying that if you're mechanically inclined you're autistic,and if you're verbally inclined you're aspie. And he makes the assumption that if you learn visually then you're always mechanically inclined but cant speak worth a darn. Im very visual in thinking, but also very verbal, and not mechanically inclined at all.

So I think its his idea is just doesnt work.



Rocket123
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2012
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,203
Location: Lost in Space

31 Mar 2014, 7:41 pm

OJani wrote:
The ones that may differentiate me from 'classic' AS:
- Average long-term memory for facts (lexical information like names, technical data, poems, proverbs, etc.). Difficulties with recall, it might take too long to remember and so I may appear dumber than actually I am.


This happens to me, sometimes. On the WAIS information test, one of the questions was who wrote Alice in Wonderland. I KNEW I knew it. But I could not recall the information. I told the Psychologist that I would remember it, probably on my drive home. Then, on the drive home, I remembered the name (Lewis Carroll).

OJani wrote:
- Problems with speech: stutter, bad articulation, speed (sometimes too fast), sometimes monotonous (not pedantic at all).


I had a slight stutter problem in high school. Even my so-called friends teased me about it (they referred to me as “R-r-r-r-rocket”). The problem became less pronounced after that (not certain why).

OJani wrote:
- Perceptual Reasoning Index > Verbal Comprehension Index (by 16 points).


For me, the Perceptual Reasoning Index > Verbal Comprehension Index (by 9 points).

I scored in the 90+ percentile on three of the WAIS sub-test scores: Arithmetic (99%), Matrix Reasoning (98%), Visual Puzzles (91%). An all other sub-tests, I scored in the mid 70s to mid 80s (percentile wise).

OJani wrote:
- Disorganized, often out of focus (attention-deficit).


I am good at focusing, when it is quiet. My wife says I am disorganized (e.g. I misplace my keys or my phone often). But, I have some fairly intricate filing systems (for papers, information, etc.). I know where everything is and can find anything within 10 seconds.

OJani wrote:
- It's equally difficult to me to take in visual and verbal information (slow processing speed).


I know I am slow with verbal information. If I don’t write it down, I forget things quickly.

OJani wrote:
- Clumsiness (only moderate, the worst of them are ball-games). I also like to take things apart and repair them, I'm not very good at it, but not bad either.


I have really good hand-eye coordination. I used to love the “coin snatching”. When I was young, my record was 40 pennies stacked in two columns. Yet, I am terrible at ball-games. I have trouble judging speed, distance, etc. I also have problems judging speed/distance with driving (when I was young, I hit stationary objects on both sides of the car). I used to love taking things apart when I was young. In fact, I have a hard time understanding things, unless I see how each individual part works within the system.



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

31 Mar 2014, 7:56 pm

The OP is not saying that. He was just proposing a hypothesis which would serve as a general framework. Obviously there are Aspies who transcend the stereotype, same with people with HFA. Hypotheses do not necessarily turn into laws; they are merely a proposal, a bill to be debated.

If one would read further down the thread, one would notice that the OP changed his mind somewhat on the veracity of the hypothesis, based upon the input presented within the thread. Somewhat like Socrates did with Plato and his other students.



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

01 Apr 2014, 9:40 am

Let's continue the Socratic discussion, shall we? 8)

It's been very illuminating so far.



XFilesGeek
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2010
Age: 43
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,031
Location: The Oort Cloud

01 Apr 2014, 6:40 pm

I'm a highly verbal person with crap motor skills and visualization.

While your theory may fit me, I doubt it would fit everyone.

Mostly, I've observed autistic people have weird brains, but thanks for introducing the topic for discussion.


_________________
"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."

-XFG (no longer a moderator)


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

01 Apr 2014, 6:44 pm

LOL...I wish I could take credit for this theory.