The Universe does not revolve around the autistic community

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28 Mar 2014, 12:03 am

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Actually the earth is spinning, and it makes everything seem like the universe is revolving around us. We really only revolve around the sun.....

incorrect. everything on earth revolves around the polar axis of the earth which revolves around the sun.

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...... , mercury, venus, some moons, and a bunch of really big rocks called meteors.

incorrect. we do not revolve around any of the satellites of the sun. we are merely perturbed to varying degrees by them.

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28 Mar 2014, 12:10 am

Myrtonos, I get the impression you're trying to teach us something. Though I can't exactly figure it out.

Do you realy believe it's Aspie ego when they are talking about their special subject?

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Aspies often see neurotypicals as fuzzy thinkers, and if so must think it is unfair that seemingly fuzzy thinkers do on average better in school and are more likely to get through exams, get into University, and also more likely to have partners and spouses.

Well, this piece of logic misses the connection completetly. They don't do well at school and university because they have fuzzy thinking. It's because they aren't distracted, have melt downs, and social anxiety to deal with. Some of us do poorly because of our condition, our sensitivity to things, conditions, locations and people. At the same time, many of us do very well at school and university. You are linking two things that are not related to one another, and saying that one causes the other.

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Is it typical of those on the spectrum to string together chains of outcomes that the autistic community is less likely to desire than the general population and maybe assign a common cause to them? Even if the outcomes may either be unrelated or related only in the sense they are in line with general social norms. Those not on the spectrum tend to be fulent in the same social norms so as to act like an organised unit.

Sorry, I can't figure out what you're asking, or what your saying in response to your own question.

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Aspies probably tend to get on better if they refute the arguments through reasoned discussion (and I mean reasoned from the general point of view, not that of the autistic community) than imply they are wrong because aspies don't generally agree on them or becasue most who agree on them are neurotypical. Let's say that you, whevever confronted with facts, respond with contrary documentation or take it under advisement and research it, and (persistantly) everyone who disagrees with you on something appears to "stick by their guns" for an extended period. That does not make them wrong in everything they do.

Ok, I think I get what you're saying now.

You are an expert of some sort, and an Aspie told you that you were wrong. You gave them some reasons and references to prove your point. They went away and did some research on those points, and sthey till believe you are wrong.

Well blow me down. It sounds like it's your ego that got hurt, yet you're blaiming the Aspie ego for hurting you. It's called projection.

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28 Mar 2014, 12:26 am

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I get the impression you're trying to teach us something. Though I can't exactly figure it out.

Do you realy believe it's Aspie ego when they are talking about their special subject?

True or false? Many of them believe it is necessary to talk on and on about their special subjects?

Thing is, they are only thinking about their own interrests, not whether the other person is interrested. They might even think the person should be interrested. One might have a special interrest in make-up and go on and on about it with other make-up wearers, believing that what they say is important for other make-up wearers to hear.

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If you look closely I wrote 'seemingly fuzzy thinkers' not just 'fuzzy thinkers.' Those on the spectrum (particularly the ones who actually get diganosed) do on average less well at school and university than normal people, yet they see normal people as having on average less critical thinking ability.

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You are an expert of some sort, and an Aspie told you that you were wrong. You gave them some reasons and references to prove your point. They went away and did some research on those points, and sthey till believe you are wrong. [spelling error preserved]

No, I haven't had an aspie telling me I was wrong about my own special interrests, but I have had people, who as far as I know are not on the spectrum, persistantly disagree with me.

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28 Mar 2014, 12:34 am

Ah, so this is one person's ideas on how autism works.

Well, it's a nice change from hearing about how all autistic people lack a social-based survival instinct.

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28 Mar 2014, 3:52 am

Myrtonos wrote:

GregCav wrote:

I get the impression you're trying to teach us something. Though I can't exactly figure it out.

Do you realy believe it's Aspie ego when they are talking about their special subject?

False. Many of them don't believe it's necessary to talk on and on and on about a subject. Many of them gone on and on about a subject because that is the nature of autism.

They are thinking about their own interests and not whether a person is interested because that is also the nature of autism. They go on and on and on about it because they don't recognize a fake yawn or question glances at a watch as signs of boredom. If they were told their audience is bored most would stop immediately.

Do you tell a tortoise that it is too slow? Do you tell a cheetah It is too fast? They are what they are.

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28 Mar 2014, 4:19 am

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Yes, but I believe that not all will stop, some will still persist, or at least make excuses for keeping talking about it, or get frustrated and not understand why the audience is not interrested. Someone with a special interrest in makeaup might not understand why others who often wear make-up aren't as interrested in it.

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Do you tell a tortoise that it is too slow? Do you tell a cheetah It is too fast? They are what they are.

A tortise is not physically capable of walking as fast as most other animals, note that this applies across all species of tortise and turtle, not just to some individuals within a species. You don't need to tell a cheetah it is too fast, their high speed makes them good hunters, much better than dogs. I'm sure a cheetah can still walk as slow as us, let alone tortises, but again the ability to run fast applies across the species. Tortises and cheetahs don't have language, so no would not not (need to) tell them those things anyway.

I'm not saying that everyone who has obsessive interrests believes it is necessary to go on and on about them, but maybe some do.

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28 Mar 2014, 5:00 am

I don't understand the question.

Is there something I've missed?

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28 Mar 2014, 6:30 am

*Edit* I change my mind. I'm not even going to get involved in this.

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28 Mar 2014, 7:09 am

No, the problem is not acting autistic. Just as one can have ASD and know how to not creep people out, one can be on the spectrum and still know how to talk sense. One may be a special expert on one's special interest(s), but being obsessed with something does not mean one is a special expert. Let's berakdown the point into points:

*Many on the spectrum and bigoted against neurotypicals, often pereciving them as fuzzy thinkers, I'm not saying they are fuzzy thinkers
*In spite of appearing to lack critical thinking, non-autistic people of many kinds do on average better in school and are more likely to get through exams, get into University, and also more likely to have partners and spouses.

Of course you have challanges, and would probaly still have those same challanges even on "planet aspie."

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28 Mar 2014, 7:31 am

huh?

i talk about s**t that interests me. i'm pretty sure NTs do the same thing. if we bore each other, oh well.

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28 Mar 2014, 9:04 am

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*Edit* I change my mind. I'm not even going to get involved in this.

I saved a seat for you over here.

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28 Mar 2014, 9:12 am

Verdandi wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:

*Edit* I change my mind. I'm not even going to get involved in this.

I saved a seat for you over here.

Thank you. Much saner over here.

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28 Mar 2014, 3:07 pm

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True or false? Many of them believe it is necessary to talk on and on about their special subjects?

Don't just believe it's necessary, but it feels like its necessary to break the tedium and give me a reason to live.

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Thing is, they are only thinking about their own interrests, not whether the other person is interrested.

Yep,imo, this is the problem in a nut shell. Aside from being a theory of mind thing, it is a form of being self-centered.

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They might even think the person should be interrested.

Yep, and they should be:-)

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One might have a special interrest in make-up and go on and on about it with other make-up wearers, believing that what they say is important for other make-up wearers to hear.

Yep. A 'good' technique I have developed with a customer who is in the middle of purchasing a product from me that he really wants to buy is to slow down the final transaction of the sale (after I already have the money) so you can talk about your special interest. Of course I am also observing myself doing this kind of thing and trying to work on not doing it, and for anyone who thinks it is not self centered to do this kind of activity, maybe you should look at yourself while doing it and try to mentally discern what this kind of behavior implies.

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28 Mar 2014, 4:06 pm

What the universe doesn't revolve around the autistic community? I was totally convinced that it did, I feel so enlightened now.

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28 Mar 2014, 4:09 pm

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It's entirely possible.

I mean I had my own epiphany about talking about my interests back in 1997, after managing to overdo it badly. I don't think it's necessarily wrong, but I don't understand what the OP is trying to say.

I think he is saying we are self-centered and not flexible with our opinions once our mind is made up. I could be wrong however but it is my take on the OP.

Edit: I think he is also saying we have a superiority complex. As in we feel superior to NTs or something to that effect. His fuzzy thinking scenario. I have never said that about NTs personally. However they don't seem to have the same passion we do for certain subjects of interest.

If anything I probably lean towards having more of an inferiority complex, I know I am not 'really' inferior to others but I lack that thing called confidence.

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28 Mar 2014, 4:10 pm

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I agree. (thank god my comment was taken the right way)

It's OK, I thought your humour was quite obvious (providing I got it right), but yeah, I'm not sure what OP is getting at. We are different, but we don't act all high and mighty if we know a lot about a special interest. I always encourage people to join in with my special interest actually. I always want my friends to take up video gaming and give them advice about what current market console they can start with, but I don't push it on them. I might get into the topic and not shut the hell up, but I don't push it on people or look down on them for knowing little or nothing.

This. I often wish my conversational partners knew as much as I do about my interests, it would mean we could have an actual conversation about them, instead of just them listening to me monologue, which is fun, but not as much fun as getting excited about a topic with another person. I was very confused by the OP's thread, I didn't really grasp what he was trying to say either, though
KB8CWB may have a good point.

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