Autism And The Lost Plane

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Right; so you've started a thread not knowing what point you are trying to make nor do you have a clear idea of what you want to say or achieve with the thread and you compare the vagueness of the dialogue to a Zen Koan. No wonder nobody knows what the thread is about! It isn't actually about anything. You are throwing words around and waiting to see what words come back and you are winging it from there. I'm reading the sound of one hand clapping.

Thanks for the feed back. You've made a somewhat valid point, but I am not responsible for this thread deteriorating. It's happening imo because people are not trying to process the material. Sometimes I think about something someone has written on WP for days before I respond....actually very frequently.

I did state the intent of this thread in my first message after the intro. This is the last paragraph quoted below, but anyone interested please reread that message..


That message gives the intent for the entire thread, nd I can explain what I mean by that if people do not understand, which they probably don't. I think I wrote some really good stuff so far and will answer later. The problem with definitive material, which I already mentioned in my message to Joe, is that people think there own interpretative material IS definitive.

Some people have different ways of processing data. It is said that the Buddha turned the wheel three times for three different kinds of people. All these ways are of value, but some people relate to data differently than others. I will try to figure out some kind fo solution re my participation here. I think this can be solved somewhat easily, actually....maybe the analogy this thread is based on was ill conceived and I now I need to define things better....I did make it in a hurry....

These threads do seem to be an exercise in throwing words around.
That's all I have been able to get from them.

Are you saying that the lost plane is in your brain?

But then I can't work out where Dexter comes in to it all.

Unless you're Dexter!

The lost plane is the missing part of her brain that would make her brain whole ( neurotypical) instead of autistic.

So thats why she has to "find" it.

That's my interpretation.

But apparently Dexter hijacked the plane!

I guess sometimes we all feel like TV is making us loose our minds.

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Not speaking in hyperbole when I say that my entire brain function has basically transformed from writing here, though not only on my own threads, plus I have worked through major obstacles and now do understand my own autism, though I sometimes still experience terror, have even worked through a lot of that dynamic, and now I understand how it worked..The most recent insight of the two weeks or so is about how special interests have functioned in relation to my own autism, and that is very freeing. The previous one was about neurodiversity. I think about these ideas for major parts of my day, mainly in relation to my own brain and how to get it to work better, By transformed I mean it feels like my brain is basically working right now, with great clarity, in a way it has never worked before as a result of specifically enquiring on wrong planet and thinking about things that come up, and I am clear about the whole process I went through and could recount it articulately step by step. A lot of this lengthy writing is actually for the benefit of other people, as there is no chance they would understand me if I say it concisely. There is a better chance from the way I am writing.

Did you ever for even a moment consider that that some material might be difficult to understand and take a lot of effort to develop the capacity to understand it? At least this is how it has been for me, and I made the effort because I was interested, and am not saying everyone should be interested in doing that or try to. Different strokes for different folks. The way I am processing data was deliberately developed through years of extremely deep pondering. There's plenty of other stuff for you to read here besides material you find it difficult to understand. People skip boring messages. I skip almost all of the material on WP.

I love this message. No, I'm not Dexter. Dexter does not come into it. Dexter is going to be the next thread. I just wrote that intro on the wing so to speak.

babybird (love that name) you know you're not really a babybird, right? :-) And you do understand one thing can be used to represent something else or can even represent something else to a person without himself consciously knowing it, and one set of ideas can be used to convey another set of ideas. For instance a minister can be talking to his congregation (and no I am not saying I am a minister) about squirrels gathering nuts for the cold winter, but actually he is really talking about being a good Christian in order to prepare for ther last day or whatever....you get the gist.

If people can't relate to this material I probably will not continue as I will lose interest myself, but I suggest to give it a chance....sometimes it is difficult to communicate about ideas, but it is worth the effort..in the enquiries I have had in my home most people went home when they got tired and it was really late, but that is when the big breakthrough always occurred....when it was very late and a few dogged few continued...but people should only do what they are interested in....

LOL - this thread is almost four pages long now and at least half of the posts in are people saying They can NEVER understand what you are saying, but you keep talking as usual about your clarity and articulation. Amazing. (Not kidding, you are amazing!)

Edit for formatting quote.

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Good laugh, and this is not the first today and why I love it here. yes, the lost plane is the missing part of my brain (function) that would make myself whole, but my special interest has appropriated it on the edge of time and space Dexter and __________ (insert word or name), and the people looking for plane and so interested in watching tv about it are also me, like in a dream every figure is oneself. Yep....and by the way, the CNN stuff was interesting for some reason....maybe because we all wanted the people to be still alive, but everyone knew they weren't still alive, and yet it was still interesting...but in the dream, meaning the analogy, I am still alive...we are all still alive and our special interests are keeping us still winging...I mean winging the search for our own inner plane meaning airplane and/or dimension...oh yeah..ha ha...but this is not a joke but actually all very serious which is why I am taking my time and energy to write on here....instead of jamming with my friends and doing a lot of other stuff that is a lot more fun, but this is joyful effort...I have to do this right now....you people, not meaning you, but some people here should stop harassing an older person over seventy who might in some ways have some real understanding about autism and is participating on here with the best intentions...I am really getting kind of pissed....

As are are you, and people would not be reading this stuff unless there is something about it that is interesting to them:-) and I have packed hugely interesting and valuable material into just a few messages....getting kind of zzzzzzzz now though....

gonna watch some Dexter now, and actually Dexter has nothing to do with this thread....I was saying something about time and also priming the pump for a future thread....if people want to talk about it here it;s okay, though,,, I can hardly wait myself but will probably wait until I watch the whole thing....

I reckon your brain is the missing plane and it's in fragments all over this website.

Oh, and Dexter was the pilot.

adorable!....yes, this is it, sad to say:-)

Yeah but all we're reading is people (including two mods) saying they have no idea what you are saying. How many pages are people going to keep saying this for? What is the point? Not a rhetorical question btw.

No one understands what you're on about with the lengthy version, so you might as well give the concise version a shot.

littlebee wrote:

Okay, Getting down to brass tacks. I am going to be watching Dexter now and making food, but can put it on pause. Let's start with these first few words of my first post, which is the real introduction, and go little by little..



Does everyone understand this? There is much in these few words. Let's go into it little by little if anyone does not understand. Take your time. Then we can go to the next part.

See, this is where it falls apart. You blame others for not being inside your head.

An idea gets presented as something with so many angles, so many considerations, so many interpretations, so many viewpoints - and every single one of them is oh so deeply interesting and requires more thought and what you term as "enquiry" - so much of it, in fact, that no point is ever actually made.
There is nothing to work with, no spark of interest, nothing to counter nor develop, nothing to pick up and move forward with - nothing but a convoluted, 'everything is interesting and interconnected' word salad - and others get accused of "not trying" when they post puzzled responses.
The real problem is that people are trying, and finding it an extremely frustrating experience.

Just one tiny paragraph from earlier in the thread: I thought people were looking for the plane because that's what people do when their friends and loved ones mysteriously vanish inside one.

Apparently it's about food - no wait: a new reason to live - no, wait: what do we mean by reason? Is it meaning? Ah, but "mean" is a reference to bullying - no, wait: intent - no, wait: middle ground - no, wait: it forms a part of the word "meaning" - no, wait: it's also used in "the golden mean".
[plane] -> [food] -> [new life] -> [reason to live] -> [reason -> [meaning -> [mean -> [bullying -> [intent -> middle ground]]]]] -> [golden mean]
WUT?

So, you say that this thread is deteriorating because people are not trying to process the material.
What material? Most of the time these lengthy discourses appear to be the equivalent of someone saying "Apple. Discuss". Yes, it's terribly terribly deep and I imagine Yoko would be proud - but what's the point on a social network? How is it supposed to work out?
People talk with each other here; they laugh, argue, help each other, suggest things - not sit around contemplating the nowness of now in ever deeper thinking.
Suppose people were "processing" the material correctly - what would that look like in the context of a thread? (thread hit count and no responses do not count)