A Thought About Aspergers
dianthus wrote:
linatet wrote:
I agree with you but I think the word wouldn't be "judgment" but "information processing".
I think "judgment" is a decision or interpretation that is made from processing information, not the process itself.
ah, when they say "judgment" I think of judging people, preconceived ideas etc
I think this is a loose word. But this is often true for most words.
I also don't know which meaning for "judgment" the OP meant.
linatet wrote:
dianthus wrote:
linatet wrote:
I agree with you but I think the word wouldn't be "judgment" but "information processing".
I think "judgment" is a decision or interpretation that is made from processing information, not the process itself.
ah, when they say "judgment" I think of judging people, preconceived ideas etc
I think this is a loose word. But this is often true for most words.
I also don't know which meaning for "judgment" the OP meant.
Yeah it is a word with many possible definitions, where many people might be using the same word to mean different things. When I read the OP I was thinking of a lot of different types of judgment. I had judgments about people in mind too. But also judgments that have nothing to do with other people, like judging how to handle a car on a wet or icy road.
The word can also be used to refer to the process of judging something. And it can refer to a person's ability to make judgments. But either way it refers back to itself, to the concept of a judgment as an end conclusion. LOL So I guess what I am more interested in here is the differences in how people process information to make a judgment, in the sense of a decision or conclusion.
Google gives these synonyms for judgment: discernment, acumen, shrewdness, astuteness, sense, common sense, perception, perspicacity, percipience, acuity, discrimination, reckoning, wisdom, wit, judiciousness, prudence, canniness, sharpness, sharp-wittedness, powers of reasoning, reason, logic; savvy, horse sense, street smarts, gumption
Those all sound like good types of judgment, but I think there are also many kinds of judgment that involve faulty reasoning, irrationality or false assumptions.
Anyway I think most or all of types of judgment are basically frontal lobe activities. When a person has a frontal lobe abnormality or injury, or executive dysfunction, it almost always involves some sort of impairment in judgment or decision making. So it's natural that NTs would be more inclined to make judgments of any and all kinds.
Specific types of judgment also use other areas of the brain, like for instance moral judgment uses the temporal and parietal lobes.
ADHD research has shown there is a disconnect between the front and back of the brain, so the person with ADHD finds it difficult to draw on past experience to make a decision. I don't know if Asperger's has a similar disconnect, but that's an example of how a person might be less likely to draw on preconceived ideas to make a judgment.
I'm thinking that judgment is basically an internal process, or the end result of an internal process, that draws heavily on information with the mind...information like memories, social conscience, and mentalizing. Whereas observation is being more receptive to external information and things that can be seen or witnessed via the senses.
Research has shown that autistic people tend to make moral judgments based on the outcome of a situation, rather than a person's intentions. NTs tend to judge the presumed intentions rather than the outcome, which involves a lot of mentalizing and empathy (and may not always be accurate, for instance psychopaths prey on the assumption of good intentions).
Sorry I'm on a bit of a ramble, not sure how to explain what I'm getting at here but I do agree like someone else said in the thread, that everyone judges. But I think NTs have a different process for it, and they also tend to come to different conclusions.
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ImAnAspie wrote:
Why make the comparison at all.
ImAnAspie wrote:
The way you've worded it certainly sounds like a "them and us" statement and then the pack mentality kicks in and each side wants to defend whichever team they think they belong to to the death.
ImAnAspie wrote:
Just describe Aspies - leave the other team out of it!
At first glance your suggestion did not fit well with me since I am already on the receiving end of such an "us vs them" mentality. So I set it all aside for a while. When I came back to it, I had forgotten all of the comments here but ended up adopting exactly what you suggested. There is much less antagonism involved that way. An eye for an eye only escalates matters and never does help. Thanks for the heads up.
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TTRSage wrote:
ImAnAspie wrote:
Why make the comparison at all.
ImAnAspie wrote:
The way you've worded it certainly sounds like a "them and us" statement and then the pack mentality kicks in and each side wants to defend whichever team they think they belong to to the death.
ImAnAspie wrote:
Just describe Aspies - leave the other team out of it!
At first glance your suggestion did not fit well with me since I am already on the receiving end of such an "us vs them" mentality. So I set it all aside for a while. When I came back to it, I had forgotten all of the comments here but ended up adopting exactly what you suggested. There is much less antagonism involved that way. An eye for an eye only escalates matters and never does help. Thanks for the heads up.
You're welcome
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Awww


Funny you should say that. I've always loved the cat you have for your avatar. Soooo fluffy!
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