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19 May 2014, 8:06 am

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"I like Autistic people almost as much as I like real people!" LOL!! !! !
"But you have a job, with people, you go, to school with people!"

Those are the best lines in the video!! LOL!! !!

Yeah, classic! Thanks for posting that!


I loved the video. It is just so true. Reading your reaction makes me want to share it with others and make everyone watch it - but I've already posted it to my personal Facebook page AND the Autism Spectrum Explained Facebook page AND the Autism Spectrum Explained website (I already had a things you shouldn't say to Autistics page, so it fit perfectly)...and now I've posted it here, too! I think I've run out of places to share it, haha. But seriously, this should be required watching. Glad you liked it!


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19 May 2014, 8:31 am

I want one that could be a tattoo, or could be represented in just black and white.



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19 May 2014, 8:47 am

You probably could do it in just black and white, it'd just be a gradient instead of a rainbow. I think your point would still come across...


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19 May 2014, 8:54 am

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I actually like the different colored puzzle one better. I guess I just find it more visually appealing or something. Or it could just have something to do with the fact that I absolutely LOVE jigsaw puzzles.

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I like autism pride. It's sort of a long story, but it's like Deaf pride for me. At the beginning of last school year I couldn't stand the word autistic. It felt like I was defining myself by something really negative that was something that separated me from people. But then I started taking American Sign Language with a Deaf instructor and I gradually and unconsciously changed how I felt about autism.

Deaf with a capital "D" does not refer to deaf, the condition where someone can't hear. People who are Deaf don't look at their deafness as a disability, but instead as a way of experiencing the world. There is a Deaf culture that has its own language and customs. The Deaf are united by the common experience of being deaf. It's not like the Deaf ignore the struggles and difficulties of being deaf, they just don't let that part define them. And they are proud of their differences. They take pride in who they are and in how they experience the world.

So gradually throughout these last two semesters of taking ASL and learning about Deaf culture, my view of my own autism changed. I don't let the negative parts of autism define who I am. But I now treasure the positive parts. I have a different way of viewing the world and a different way of thinking. Autism is not just a disability for me. It is the way I experience and process the world. And I am autistic.




I have to say I also really love the jigsaw puzzles, partly because I do love doing jigsaw puzzles :) but because it is different, it is distinctive and it stands out,I don't view it as saying I'm incomplete or anything like that. I can't explain it other then saying it fits for me because the world is puzzling to me... Really though I love how unique it is i really love the different pieces, reminds me how much each person really is andavidual and how diffrent autism is person to person.


There is more I can't word right now I will try to do later

I also took asl and have the same thoughts on how I view my autism as well


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19 May 2014, 8:57 am

Perhaps the rainbow colours represent neurodiversity? I am not shore about the twisted hoop shape though. :scratch:

All in all, I feel like the idea of "pride" is a little selfish. We should love others whether they are autistic or not.


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19 May 2014, 9:14 am

ImeldaJace wrote:
I actually like the different colored puzzle one better. I guess I just find it more visually appealing or something. Or it could just have something to do with the fact that I absolutely LOVE jigsaw puzzles.

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I like autism pride. It's sort of a long story, but it's like Deaf pride for me. At the beginning of last school year I couldn't stand the word autistic. It felt like I was defining myself by something really negative that was something that separated me from people. But then I started taking American Sign Language with a Deaf instructor and I gradually and unconsciously changed how I felt about autism.

Deaf with a capital "D" does not refer to deaf, the condition where someone can't hear. People who are Deaf don't look at their deafness as a disability, but instead as a way of experiencing the world. There is a Deaf culture that has its own language and customs. The Deaf are united by the common experience of being deaf. It's not like the Deaf ignore the struggles and difficulties of being deaf, they just don't let that part define them. And they are proud of their differences. They take pride in who they are and in how they experience the world.

So gradually throughout these last two semesters of taking ASL and learning about Deaf culture, my view of my own autism changed. I don't let the negative parts of autism define who I am. But I now treasure the positive parts. I have a different way of viewing the world and a different way of thinking. Autism is not just a disability for me. It is the way I experience and process the world. And I am autistic.


I have a Deaf friend and we actually bonded and got to know each other over the similarities between the Deaf and the Autistic communities. I'll have to tell her about your experience, she'd be super excited. :)

Also, off topic, but I reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally want to learn ASL! Grad school's going to make that an impossibility for two more years, but after that's over I'm totally going to take a class...or, rather, a bunch of classes. :D :D :D


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19 May 2014, 9:15 am

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Perhaps the rainbow colours represent neurodiversity? I am not shore about the twisted hoop shape though. :scratch:

All in all, I feel like the idea of "pride" is a little selfish. We should love others whether they are autistic or not.


Pride isn't intended to imply the perception of superiority, simply liking yourself for who you are. :) That doesn't impact whether or not you like others.


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19 May 2014, 10:47 am

In regard to the original post: I agree with what so many others have said. The infinity symbol demonstrating the spectrum. It being rainbow-colored, meaning "all-inclusive"----e.g. every nationality, walk-of-life, etc. It's not a gay symbol----though so many "gay pride" things have rainbows.

In regard to BigSister's subsequent post about BAPs: I think BAPs are, in fact, on the spectrum----they're just adults who have learned behavior modification and are therefore less perceptive (their "different" behaviors) than a child who hasn't learned the "better" behavior / behavior "camouflaging", yet.



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19 May 2014, 11:15 am

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In regard to the original post: I agree with what so many others have said. The infinity symbol demonstrating the spectrum. It being rainbow-colored, meaning "all-inclusive"----e.g. every nationality, walk-of-life, etc. It's not a gay symbol----though so many "gay pride" things have rainbows.

In regard to BigSister's subsequent post about BAPs: I think BAPs are, in fact, on the spectrum----they're just adults who have learned behavior modification and are therefore less perceptive (their "different" behaviors) than a child who hasn't learned the "better" behavior / behavior "camouflaging", yet.


That's an interesting hypothesis. In my case, it doesn't make as much sense. I mean, the potential for me to be Autistic as opposed to simply BAP is there, considering my Autistic friends tend to think I'm Autistic and I was actually hugely ABOVE the levels of those traits required to meet the label of BAP. That's why I say "at least" BAP, because that way I can safely give the lower bound without excluding the possibility that I might be Autistic. So you could be right in my case, I could be on the spectrum in the more traditional sense.

However, I'm not sure how that would work in terms of the overall theory. You're right, I am pretty imperceptible - mostly people simply seem to think I'm "weird" and nothing else to it. But, assuming I was actually BAP and not Autistic for the sake of this discussion, why then would my younger sister be perceptibly Autistic and me not as much? Me, I had no one to teach me social norms who actually understood them - I was just expected to pick it up naturally the way that my parents did. Which doesn't work so well, as you guys know. Yet I blend in far better than my sister, and I actually did my best to teach her all these little social nuances which are hard to catch on your own.

Between all the therapy and mentoring she got that I never did, you'd think if it was a matter of education as opposed to simply innate, she would stand out much less than me. The reality, however, is quite the opposite.

Also, I should add that there's only a three year age gap between my sister and I and we're both adults now.


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19 May 2014, 1:21 pm

That video is legendary. Very authentic and funny as hell.


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19 May 2014, 2:05 pm

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I have to say I also really love the jigsaw puzzles,
...because it is different, it is distinctive and it stands out,I don't view it as saying I'm incomplete or anything like that. ... it fits for me because the world is puzzling to me... Really though I love how unique it is i really love the different pieces, reminds me how much each person really is andavidual and how diffrent autism is person to person.


There is more I can't word right now I will try to do later


That's a really good way of putting it. That's exactly how I feel too.

[I couldn't even get as much as you already have written out of my own head and into words :) ]



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19 May 2014, 7:35 pm

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I have to say I also really love the jigsaw puzzles,
...because it is different, it is distinctive and it stands out,I don't view it as saying I'm incomplete or anything like that. ... it fits for me because the world is puzzling to me... Really though I love how unique it is i really love the different pieces, reminds me how much each person really is andavidual and how diffrent autism is person to person.


There is more I can't word right now I will try to do later


That's a really good way of putting it. That's exactly how I feel too.

[I couldn't even get as much as you already have written out of my own head and into words :) ]


For me, I would like the puzzle piece logo if it meant to other people what you had described. However, the intention behind its creation was generally 'solving the puzzle of a cure for autism'...which is not something I can stand behind.


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19 May 2014, 7:51 pm

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ImeldaJace wrote:
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I have to say I also really love the jigsaw puzzles,
...because it is different, it is distinctive and it stands out,I don't view it as saying I'm incomplete or anything like that. ... it fits for me because the world is puzzling to me... Really though I love how unique it is i really love the different pieces, reminds me how much each person really is andavidual and how diffrent autism is person to person.


There is more I can't word right now I will try to do later


That's a really good way of putting it. That's exactly how I feel too.

[I couldn't even get as much as you already have written out of my own head and into words :) ]


For me, I would like the puzzle piece logo if it meant to other people what you had described. However, the intention behind its creation was generally 'solving the puzzle of a cure for autism'...which is not something I can stand behind.



I can't say much for the original purpose of it, however the Asa (which created the multi piece ribbon) does not state as such today

http://www.autism-society.org/about-the ... ss-ribbon/

So if it was the original intent it has changed, I know the Asa has changed a /lot/ over the years, so what ever transgressions they have made in the past unlike autism speaks they have clearly been listening and have made a point to remedy them. I rather love what they are today. I am sure there is still room for improvement but I support them in thier efforts and find them much better then autism speaks anyday!

I think autism speaks is mostly the one guilty of the solve the puzzle to sure autism stuff or at least continuing it. Of other not autism speaks uses only one piece which really seems to speak to thier take on autism, one sided and very narrow. Where as the ribbon has many different pieces :)

As I said I love the ribbon and for me it is very special so instead of pushing it away I seek to change how people see it.


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19 May 2014, 7:57 pm

Kudos to you, then! Yes, I do tend to associate the puzzle piece logo more with Autism Speaks and its supporters, which is one of the reasons I looked upon it with disfavor...along with the fact that my sister dislikes the puzzle piece ribbon.


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20 May 2014, 12:53 pm

Funny thing about the puzzle pieces...

I used to think that the reason for the puzzle pieces was because people with autism like doing puzzles! :D I love doing puzzles, so being an aspie, I assumed that everyone else with autism likes doing puzzles too.



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21 May 2014, 11:07 pm

Most people on the spectrum seem to! Heck, I'm in the wishy-washy zone myself and I still SUPER love puzzles. (Just talking about them is making me want to go pull one out!)

I really wish that's what the puzzle piece logo stood for...


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