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28 May 2014, 11:37 am

Amity - you need to tell us more! Did your mum's actions achieve the intended result? Do you still hate your mum?

Obesity is currently being promoted as one of the biggest health hazards around, but 'body-image' is a psychological issue - it's very hard for parents to know what to do, and, arguably, it is better that they make at least some kind of effort - was your mum trying to help you, or was she trying to force you into a mould of her own making?

I would like to congratulate Sniglet on an imaginative bit of parenting! When my children were 9 and 11, there was just a whole lot of shouting, but that was in pre-internet times. I think my response, after the 'no-boxes-on-the-table' move, would have been to provide a side-table for the troublemaker so that he could turn around and eat with his back to the rest of the family. But if he wanted to join in the conversation, then he would have to put up with looking at his sister.

I'd be interested to know how the professionals would view Sniglet's actions - I guess the danger might be that the child might find a way to use an internet forum to retaliate in kind. I definitely would try to avoid using the technique more than once.



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28 May 2014, 11:38 am

Well done Sniglet. Hopefully the problem is solved.

I have been embarrassed about my weight by my family many times. That is a bit different though. This boy's behavior sounds like he was just being mean and a does of it , from his perspective, was kind of given right back to him.

Weight is a more delicate issue. People are not overweight specifically to be mean to someone else. They are having issues that are causing them to suffer so embarrassing them about their weight is not a good idea nor is it motivating to them to lose the weight. It's just humiliating.


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28 May 2014, 11:40 am

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I then told him I was getting some great ideas from a web site and let him read this whole thread

This caused a MAJOR tantrum. He was hopping mad and told me he was upset that people were talking about HIM and that his problems were public on the Internet. He went to his room, sobbing, and stayed there for a while.

Now here is the really interesting thing: he came back down for breakfast about 10 minutes later with a frown on his face. He then sat at the table and ate his breakfast in silence WITHOUT any boxes!! ! Not one word was spoken while the family ate breakfast, but we made it through the meal without any further problems (or boxes).

I am crossing my fingers that we can now get through supper together without the boxes or tantrums. That will really be something.


I'm glad there is an improvement in your familys social dining experience.

^This reminds me of being pre teen and chubby, my mum got me to stand on a weighing scales in front of my extended family at a gathering, while they all commented on how overweight I was.

When I asked her about it, she said it was to help me lose weight. I didn't like her for a while after that :D


Lot of people have the idea that shaming someone will get them the willpower and learning attitude to change it but it never works. Does it ever work on the ones who do do it?


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28 May 2014, 11:48 am

I don't think Sniglet ever intended to shame her son at all. From what I read and perceived I think she was just desperate and wanting to share with him the ideas that were given in an attempt to further discover why he was doing what he was doing or to show him how they were being affected by it. The fact that he was shamed was because of his own maliciousness. Even though she spoke of him publicly she did it completely anonymously so no one at all knows it's him. He is ashamed because of his intent not because of hers. And that can change someone's behavior. I know this because I have changed mine many times because of exactly that. I never lost any weight when others tried to shame me into doing it but when I became ashamed of the results of my own actions because I saw myself while I was shopping for clothes and trying to do sports, I started to change my actions and my body changed accordingly.

I really do think that his behavior with the boxes was just pure meanness. I don't think it had anything to do with Autism of Misophonia or anything physiological. I think if there had been an underlying issue there he would not have stormed off and reacted as strongly as he did nor would he have so easily stopped the boxes. He might have stormed off and cried from embarrassment perhaps but he would still be doing something to shield himself from his sister if there was something else going on. He would not have given up so easily with the shielding. I think he was mad from getting found out.


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28 May 2014, 12:06 pm

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- I guess the danger might be that the child might find a way to use an internet forum to retaliate in kind. I definitely would try to avoid using the technique more than once.
I would think that parents would not allow their kids near a computer if that were to happen. I know that would have been the end of my computer and everything I enjoyed if I ever thought of retaliating. And back in our day just the thought of retaliation could get you a serious spanking so that never crossed our minds ever. I know that times are very different now but we never had retaliation issues nor did we ever have kids acting out in school like how they do now. No one would dare think of acting out against a teacher or a parent.


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28 May 2014, 12:17 pm

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maybe he has developed misophonia which is common on the spectrum and includes a hatred of things like hearing other people eating,maybe he has a bit of a phobia about being watched by her whilst he eats;she might be giving him more eye contact than other people do.
maybe he dislikes his sister for some reason.


Dealing with Misophonia is not a joke, and your son not learning to cope will cripple his relationships.

I almost divorced my husband over his severe Misophonia. He would make a little fortress with newpapers, cereal boxes, magazines and crank up the Tee Vee or radio so loud you couldn't have a dinner conversation.

His family let him to this to keep peace at the dinner table. They never explored the reasons for it.

I finally lost it one night, and screamed, "What the hell is wrong with you? Do you want me to leave?".

He was shocked. Told me I ate like a pig. I called BS on that one.

Then it all came tumbling out. He has horrible sensory issues with anything to do with eating. He hates the sound of anyone eating. He hates the sound of himself eating. He hates most food smells, textures and sounds. At work he hid out in a spare room to eat because he is clumsy with utensils. I could eat watching an autopsy being performed. Any talk about the most benign bodily (like my nose is running today), his whole plate of food would hit the trash.

Told him he was a 45 year old man. Get help or I'm out. I was serious. Not being able to eat with out all that scaffolding, had seriously ruined friendships. It made me feel like a disgusting sub human. Meal sharing is a big deal in any relationship. If my own husband won't even look at me during a meal, what the hell is wrong with me?

My husband received therapy, and it is much better. I'm careful about his triggers, but the days of the magazine/cereal box fortresses are over.

Your daughter can't aggravate him, but you are doing no favors by letting him just slide like this is a non issue. The parenting board might have more suggestions on how to help your son.
I am so glad your husband had help and that it was able to save your marriage. I wonder what my life would be like now if I had been able to have help with Misophonia especially when I first developed it. I also wonder if being allowed to eat alone would have helped me. I know that being forced to eat with the family did not help me one bit. People might think that it helps you learn to cope with Misophonia and maybe for some it might, but in my experience it absolutely did not. It might have even made me worse. Misophonia is not a behavioral issue at all. Being forced to eat with the triggers every single day made me suicidal, it did not help me cope. I have had regular suicidal thoughts since I was ten and the only reason I have not committed suicide is that I am such a survivor. My survival instinct is too strong. Sometimes I feel like it's too strong for my own good. But I think that as far as Misophonia is concerned, people thinking that forcing someone to just endure being in an environment every single day with their trigger sound thinking it will help them are 100% wrong, at least in my case anyway. Dinner time for me was the most excruciating torture and had my survival instinct not been so strong I would have done myself in a long time ago.


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28 May 2014, 12:25 pm

Setting the ground work for expected norms is practical. Facing the truth is positive, it must be intense for a child to read these strangers views about him. Sniglet is involved and active and that can only be a good thing :) My out come was that i didn't trust my mum with personal information, it had no impact on my weight.



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28 May 2014, 12:36 pm

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- I guess the danger might be that the child might find a way to use an internet forum to retaliate in kind. I definitely would try to avoid using the technique more than once.
I would think that parents would not allow their kids near a computer if that were to happen. I know that would have been the end of my computer and everything I enjoyed if I ever thought of retaliating. And back in our day just the thought of retaliation could get you a serious spanking so that never crossed our minds ever. I know that times are very different now but we never had retaliation issues nor did we ever have kids acting out in school like how they do now. No one would dare think of acting out against a teacher or a parent.

Skibum - I would love to agree with you, but every day there is more evidence of the dark side of the world wide web, and children are right at the forefront - sometimes as victims and sometimes as players.



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28 May 2014, 12:37 pm

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I don't think Sniglet ever intended to shame her son at all.


"Shaming" my children (or anyone) is the farthest thing from my mind. I come to WrongPlanet to share experiences and hear advice from other people who understand the kinds of difficulties there can be with autism. Too many other people (like some members of my extended family) just think we need more "discipline".

I showed my son this thread because I thought it would be helpful for him to see that other people understand the kinds of challenges he faces. I had absolutely no idea he would break out in tears. If I had known that maybe I wouldn't have shown it to him. Yet, in the end it seems to have helped (so far).



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28 May 2014, 12:42 pm

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- I guess the danger might be that the child might find a way to use an internet forum to retaliate in kind. I definitely would try to avoid using the technique more than once.
I would think that parents would not allow their kids near a computer if that were to happen. I know that would have been the end of my computer and everything I enjoyed if I ever thought of retaliating. And back in our day just the thought of retaliation could get you a serious spanking so that never crossed our minds ever. I know that times are very different now but we never had retaliation issues nor did we ever have kids acting out in school like how they do now. No one would dare think of acting out against a teacher or a parent.

Skibum - I would love to agree with you, but every day there is more evidence of the dark side of the world wide web, and children are right at the forefront - sometimes as victims and sometimes as players.
Yeah, unfortunately in this day you are so right. What parents should do and do whether it is because they are stuck working so much and away from their kids or whether they are just not as attentive as they should be, are two very different things. In a perfect world parents would be able to raise their kids with full attentiveness and full involvement. It's a shame that it can't always be that way and the kids pay the price for it.


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28 May 2014, 12:46 pm

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I don't think Sniglet ever intended to shame her son at all.


"Shaming" my children (or anyone) is the farthest thing from my mind. I come to WrongPlanet to share experiences and hear advice from other people who understand the kinds of difficulties there can be with autism. Too many other people (like some members of my extended family) just think we need more "discipline".

I showed my son this thread because I thought it would be helpful for him to see that other people understand the kinds of challenges he faces. I had absolutely no idea he would break out in tears. If I had known that maybe I wouldn't have shown it to him. Yet, in the end it seems to have helped (so far).
I could tell from your posts that you were trying so much to help both of your children in this situation. I could feel that there was no bad intent at all from you. I am glad that you showed your son even though it hurt him initially. I think that this kind of hurt, he can recover from with no problem because he will realize in time, if he has not already, that you were not trying to shame him at all but that you were just desperately trying to find a way to help. I am sure that he will tell this story fondly when he grows up. You seem to me like an excellent parent and I am glad you came here for advice and I am even more glad that it helped.


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28 May 2014, 2:34 pm

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I don't think Sniglet ever intended to shame her son at all.


"Shaming" my children (or anyone) is the farthest thing from my mind. I come to WrongPlanet to share experiences and hear advice from other people who understand the kinds of difficulties there can be with autism. Too many other people (like some members of my extended family) just think we need more "discipline".

I showed my son this thread because I thought it would be helpful for him to see that other people understand the kinds of challenges he faces. I had absolutely no idea he would break out in tears. If I had known that maybe I wouldn't have shown it to him. Yet, in the end it seems to have helped (so far).

Showing him said you took his behavior seriously as a problem you wanted to help with and so did we.



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28 May 2014, 3:12 pm

Sniglet wrote:
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I don't think Sniglet ever intended to shame her son at all.


"Shaming" my children (or anyone) is the farthest thing from my mind. I come to WrongPlanet to share experiences and hear advice from other people who understand the kinds of difficulties there can be with autism. Too many other people (like some members of my extended family) just think we need more "discipline".

I showed my son this thread because I thought it would be helpful for him to see that other people understand the kinds of challenges he faces. I had absolutely no idea he would break out in tears. If I had known that maybe I wouldn't have shown it to him. Yet, in the end it seems to have helped (so far).


I wasn't trying to say you wre shaming him, it was only a response to Amity about what his mom did about his weight issues.


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28 May 2014, 4:26 pm

BRAVO! WOOT! WOOT! WOOT!

I hope you ladled on how proud you are for your son taking such a big step. How awesome he is for leaving a little kid behavior behind. That it is tough for for even adults to change behaviors. How hard it is to take other people's feelings into account, when we are getting private giggles at their expensive.

He's a total ROCK STAR in my book.

Woot! Woot! Woot!



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28 May 2014, 4:36 pm

seeing where the conversation has gone, my post didn't really fit...now it does sound kind of like he was doing it to bother his sister, which in my opinion is not an autism thing per say I think a lot of little kids do that sometimes. I mean I know of some families where the siblings really do hate each other but even when that is not the case they sometimes will do things to irritate each other. My brother used to do that to me at times, and sometimes got sent to his room or whatever but of course sometimes I did stuff to irritate him which I'd get in trouble for but aside from that bit of trying to push each others buttons me and my siblings have always gotten on pretty well.


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28 May 2014, 5:42 pm

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I don't think Sniglet ever intended to shame her son at all.


"Shaming" my children (or anyone) is the farthest thing from my mind. I come to WrongPlanet to share experiences and hear advice from other people who understand the kinds of difficulties there can be with autism. Too many other people (like some members of my extended family) just think we need more "discipline".

I showed my son this thread because I thought it would be helpful for him to see that other people understand the kinds of challenges he faces. I had absolutely no idea he would break out in tears. If I had known that maybe I wouldn't have shown it to him. Yet, in the end it seems to have helped (so far).


I wasn't trying to say you wre shaming him, it was only a response to Amity about what his mom did about his weight issues.
Sorry League Girl, forgive me, I misunderstood.


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