How I distinguish high functioning Autism v.s Aspies, IQ
I never remember the anniversary. I'm always in trouble. It's definitely not the woman's thing around here. I never notice the starving or illness. I never notice the affection either. I'm always in trouble for that too. I think I live my life in trouble. Oh well, that's what make up time is for.
As for the help, can't do that. Are you forgetting the lawn incident??? The housekeeper episode was worse! I never try to help anymore. I just follow the rules. Besides, I like all that order. I guess two AS people could get a housekeeper and cook. They need their own Alice from the Brady bunch!
Do you find that AS women take care of that stuff? I've found most of them have husbands who take care of most of that. I wonder how many AS/AS relationships there are out there compare to NT/AS (female that is). Interesting. Maybe I'll do a poll.
WOW! That IS unusual. I HAVE gone a day or so without eating, because of interests, but I don't STARVE! That is rare. USUALLY if I forget to eat because of an interest, I eat within 6 hours. As for the affection? I'll assume he is trying to take it too easy.
The help I was talking about WAS outside help. HEY, I CAN cook.
Actually, there is a GREAT reason why there won't be an AS/AS relationship. 1. The chance of running into that by pure chance, all things being equal, is apparantly less than 1 in 50 MILLION!(according to some statistics I have seen). The chances of determining if she is the right one are less likely, etc... And I have seen women that I thought were knockouts that will NEVER know my feelings. 8-( I used to think I was just shy, etc... I guess it was AS. If I could be cured of anything due to AS, THAT would be it.
Steve
That's another thing. In AS/AS, I guess they just bluntly tell each other they are interested? It certainly isn't normal flirting! LOL
I can't cook. I'm not even allowed to touch anything in the kitchen. The two times I tried to be nice and cook for a change resulted in me wandering off and forgetting that I was cooking. That resulted in me burning the food so badly that one pan had to be thrown out and another actually cracked from the heat. Who knew such things could happen? Anyway, I was banned after that. I ruined two of his pans and there are probably rules about what brand, type, etc. pan you use for what. I don't know. All I know was that it happened when we were first married and there was lots of yelling and frustration on his end and major confusion on mine. So, he just made up the rule that I never touch anything in the kitchen and now we're fine.
Do AS women remember things like Anniversaries, Valentine's day, Mother's day, etc? I just think that stuff is all silly made up social constructs. Maybe that's why I'm always forgetting them. It is a big deal in the NT world, so I've found. You get big frowns and harsh words. Not that it has ever made me remember. I find a co-worker to remind me. Otherwise I get in the car to go home and still forget to buy the present. Mostly he just gets them late, after I've gotten the frown.
LOL I don't mean literally starve, but I suppose it could get close with me. I've gone as many as three days without eating before someone notices and makes me eat. Mine is also when I'm into my interest. I also think it's because I can't stand to handle food. Someone on here said space sticks. That is a good idea except I'd never go to the store to get them. I guess I could order online.
I think it's funny how you run the statistics. I do that. I always think, man, what would happen if hubby died? Then, I speculate. I have 100 criteria men would have to pass to live with me now (after living like this so long). Then, I run the statistics. It's less than .00001% of the male population. What are the chances of that???? I better enjoy hubby. That's all I can say.
GOD, Earlier, I was OBVIOUSLY AS! If anyone here saw me before 9, they probably would have said OH YEAH, YOU HAVE AS!! !! ! I had just about all. I was also outspoken. I was ALSO attracted to girls. I still don't think I told any of them. Of course, today, I have to tone things down WAY too much. When I was a kid, I was a minor so many laws didn't affect me anyway. If I was not minor, I could have practically started a company, hired a pretty woman, etc... Today it seems like you can't even say boo.
OK, I DID do all that. I don't any more.
I am the SAME way!
WOW, I didn't even know they made those anymore!
Well, Hey, I WAS curious. I WAS talking about like running into them on the street. Supposedly it is far better near something that attracts AS people like a business, store, forum, etc... Of course, THIS forum is special since it is TARGETTED towards them. I only met ONE person that seemed to follow the same pattern I was going to. I NOW know that any observant/thoughtful person headed where we were would have followed the same pattern. I BLEW IT. 8-( She and I may have been going to the same place. We DID go in the same direction on the same train. I blew it. The chances of my running into another woman like that, on the street, in a place like Wash DC(where she was) is VERY unlikely.
Steve
I think the distinction between HFA and AS is that in HFA, there was a speech delay, whereas in AS, usually speech occurs at the normal time or is even advanced for one's age. The speech can be eccentric, but normal speech milestones are met. (Single words by one year, sentences by two years, etc.)
I can't cook. I'm not even allowed to touch anything in the kitchen. The two times I tried to be nice and cook for a change resulted in me wandering off and forgetting that I was cooking. That resulted in me burning the food so badly that one pan had to be thrown out and another actually cracked from the heat. Who knew such things could happen? Anyway, I was banned after that. I ruined two of his pans and there are probably rules about what brand, type, etc. pan you use for what. I don't know. All I know was that it happened when we were first married and there was lots of yelling and frustration on his end and major confusion on mine. So, he just made up the rule that I never touch anything in the kitchen and now we're fine.
Do AS women remember things like Anniversaries, Valentine's day, Mother's day, etc? I just think that stuff is all silly made up social constructs. Maybe that's why I'm always forgetting them. It is a big deal in the NT world, so I've found. You get big frowns and harsh words. Not that it has ever made me remember. I find a co-worker to remind me. Otherwise I get in the car to go home and still forget to buy the present. Mostly he just gets them late, after I've gotten the frown.
LOL I don't mean literally starve, but I suppose it could get close with me. I've gone as many as three days without eating before someone notices and makes me eat. Mine is also when I'm into my interest. I also think it's because I can't stand to handle food. Someone on here said space sticks. That is a good idea except I'd never go to the store to get them. I guess I could order online.
I think it's funny how you run the statistics. I do that. I always think, man, what would happen if hubby died? Then, I speculate. I have 100 criteria men would have to pass to live with me now (after living like this so long). Then, I run the statistics. It's less than .00001% of the male population. What are the chances of that???? I better enjoy hubby. That's all I can say.
Heh, interesting, the cooking thing. I cannot cook to save my life...and many is the time I have burnt things etc because I have gone off to do something else. I have a microwave in my room and recently I had put some porridge...the instant stuff...and milk into a bowl and put it on for 2 and half minutes. It usually needs just 2 minutes, but since my microwave often stops at 1 minute, I decided it would be ok. Went over to my laptop and before I knew it, bleep...and porridge all over the microwave, lol. I was very angry.
I recall as a young teen regularly flooding the bathroom because time and again I made the mistake of leaving the bath running while I went back to my room to write my poetry or play a song. I got in a lot of trouble over that.
Anniversaries... I regularly forget mothers day and such things. I do not see the importance of them, they are just aimed at making money out of emotion, in my opinion. But I have to adhere to it or my mother sees it as meaning I don't care at all...so stupid really. It irks me no end. Valentines Day is bittersweet for me as I am single, and cannot help sometimes wishing someone would give me a flower or some other romantic gesture. So, whilst I see Valentines Day as marketing in on something that should not require marketing, I also get a little sad on that day.
Well heck, at least you remember Valentine's Day. This year, someone says to me, everyone is in red. I look around and go, Huh. I thought it was a blue day so I put on blue. She gave me this really odd look. Later, she comes over to me and goes, You do know it's Valentine's Day don't you? I didn't. So, then she yells at me about because she knows that Hubby will get me some great present and I don't appreciate him and blah blah blah. You get the drift. She yelled at me as I left to stop at the store. I got in the car, stopped to get gas and it went right out of my head. I'm all happy thinking about my writing all the way home. I get in the door and stop dead in my tracks. I'm already in trouble and I haven't gotten to relax. Ugh. But, here's the better thing with guys than girls, I think. With a guy, make up you know what actually does make up for just about everything.
They will have to confirm this.
P.S. They tried to put me in girl scouts, but I sewed my finger to whatever the heck I was sewing. I didn't get asked to do that again!
Nope, sorry to say. I'm HFA and learnt to talk "on time". However, I have troubles in a lot of areas, so I get the diagnosis of HFA.
I am married to GalileoAce, a member on here, he has AS. And we're doing quite well.
Autistic couples can get married and live together. It's an adventure that is working.
Generally speaking, the distinction between "classic" Autism and High Function Autism is IQ. Autistic Individuals with an IQ that is normal or higher are classed as High Functioning. This is because most Autistic Individuals with classic Autism have an IQ that measures below normal. The criteria for a diagnosis for Autism does require a language problem of some sort, however it is possible that the problem may be eccentric, repetitive use of language rather than a language delay. A diagnosis of Autism also requires that the individual in question have by the time they were three years old displayed delays or problems with social interaction, types of play, or language. In order for these things to have been noticed by age three that means that these are not minor impairments, but more substaitial/serious ones noticable from that early age.
In contrast, Aspergers does not require any language problems or any cognitive delays.
I am going by the standard definitions. Many people today feel that there is actually little difference between HFA and AS. Some professional actually question whether or not AS is even really on the spectrum-- the current ideas of what is or is not on the spectrum are always changing. More and more disorders are currently thought to be pervasive developmental disorders than used to be. Also, the issues of IQ in Autistic Individuals is another issues that comes under a lot of scrutiny. Many feel that IQ cannot be accurately measured in individuals with classic Autism, or that even if it can be it might not mean the same thing as it does in people who are "NT".
Furthermore, IQ itself is an often debated issues as many posters have pointed out. Exactly what does it measure? What is it good for? What IQ? There are different sorts of IQ-- Verbal IQ, Performance IQ as are measured on the WAIS, a standard intelligence test. There are also subtests that measure for specific abilities/types of intelligence.
My psychology degree is from the University of Illinois.
I also wanted to mention that the diagnosis of Autism rules of the diagnosis of schizophrenia. Yale, however, is promulgating a "new" disorder called Multiplex Developmental Disorder that is somewhere between childhood autism and childhood schizophrenia. You can read more about it here http://www.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/autism/pddinfo.html
The DSM criteria for Autism: http://www.autism-resources.com/autismfaq-defi.html
Where does it say that?
Bf and I are both AS and can both cook fairly competently. It's a case of knowing exactly what to do and how to do it.
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While I have come across this opinion before, I don't know that it is a "standard definition" as you say. That IQ has anything to do with an autism dx is myth and likely incorrect. The labels (that's all it is, a label) "high functioning" vs "classic" or "low functioning" have more to do with development and abilities in Activities in Daily Living. That is, the severity of disability in a persons day to day life. It seems that autistic people have traits all over the place so that the labels may be just arbitrary and meaningless.
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