Have you ever met a schizophrenic person?

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26 Feb 2007, 1:50 pm

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Yes I have... and so have I. :P


I was under the impression multi-personality / split personality is not a real medical condition.



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26 Feb 2007, 1:53 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
ahayes wrote:
Yes I have... and so have I. :P


I was under the impression multi-personality / split personality is not a real medical condition.


It was a joke duface.



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26 Feb 2007, 1:58 pm

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TheMachine1 wrote:
ahayes wrote:
Yes I have... and so have I. :P


I was under the impression multi-personality / split personality is not a real medical condition.


It was a joke duface.


But the joke was at the expense of schizophrenics . Its a common but false stereotype.



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26 Feb 2007, 2:00 pm

One of my friends and I actually had a conversation about this over the weekend. She said her mom works at a mental health hospital or something like that and that many of the patients she sees suffers from schitzophernia (or however you spell that word). Anyway, Kelsey (my friend) was telling me that her mom told her that there was this one girl with the disorder and she wore a tin-foil hat on her head to "block out the voices from the aliens". And if anyone has ever seen the movie "Hide and Seek", Emily's dad has it as well.



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26 Feb 2007, 5:05 pm

The tin-foil hat thing is common, as schizophrenics frequently have the delusion that people are reading their minds, or putting thoughts into their mind. I read a job application once where the chap had scribbled his delusions all over it, and they were paranoia regarding a tooth implant that people were using to broadcast voices into his head.


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26 Feb 2007, 5:16 pm

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The tin-foil hat thing is common, as schizophrenics frequently have the delusion that people are reading their minds, or putting thoughts into their mind. I read a job application once where the chap had scribbled his delusions all over it, and they were paranoia regarding a tooth implant that people were using to broadcast voices into his head.


On other forums I have pointed out that a method resembling mentalist tricks can make a person believe such things because all evidence that the victim has points toward just this kind of conclusion. People on the street just call it a head game. The best treatment is for the victim to encounter enough of reality, especially outside of his home town, to be able to draw different conclusions. It also helps to read books and watch documentaries that explain how such things were done. The movie "Gaslight" is a big help. Even reading or hearing about it is a big help because it puts the mind in contact with the idea that these things can be contrived like stage illusions. The impossible becomes mundane when it is adequately explained.

One very tragic habit that this society has is the habit of teaching people not to trust their senses, their intellect, or their own integrity. Being able to trust these things forms the basis on which a person can build defenses.



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26 Feb 2007, 5:16 pm

certain metals DO shield against radiowaves - Its possible that particularly sensitive people pick up interference. Ive heard (for instance) of a quite rational & lucid seeming man who was aware of microwaves.

So you see taking the piss out of 'tin-hatters' is really quite ignorant.



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26 Feb 2007, 5:21 pm

Hey, don't get mad at me. The whole tin-foil hat is just something I hadn't heard of until this last weekend and it'll take some time for me to get used to the whole idea that some peole actually do this. So please chill out.



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26 Feb 2007, 5:26 pm

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But the joke was at the expense of schizophrenics . Its a common but false stereotype.


I changed my signature. I assure that no offense was intended.



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26 Feb 2007, 5:38 pm

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certain metals DO shield against radiowaves - Its possible that particularly sensitive people pick up interference. Ive heard (for instance) of a quite rational & lucid seeming man who was aware of microwaves.

So you see taking the piss out of 'tin-hatters' is really quite ignorant.


Are you aware of experiments that showed that the human brain can both broadcast and receive radio waves? There are the Russian experiments in which they trained people to send readable signals to radio receivers, and the Pat Flanagan neurophone that can send sound directly into the brain, sound that people can hear. It's a wonder that people who live near transmission towers don't hear FM signals. There is a basis in fact for tinfoil hats.

Here is a fairly good article. You have to take some of what Chris Ridder says with a grain of salt:
http://www.cridder.com/morgue/press/new ... phone.html

I believe that there are a few more things than a lot of people know about, or even want to admit if they do know. I used to experiment with an older model FM receiver and could push it on and off channel by concentration. It was amazingly easy to do that. Newer models don't operate the same way and can't be "pulled" because they don't adjust their tuning to try to track a station, which actually wasn't trying to track the station but was the way the receiver compensated for its own drift. The old ones are vulnerable to changing their receiving frequency in response to a strong local signal.



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26 Feb 2007, 5:40 pm

I've come across a few paranoid schizophrenics from back when I used to work at the soup kitchen. They were OK, just a little quiet and skittish (in other words, don't pressure them to take more food).


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26 Feb 2007, 5:54 pm

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Hey, don't get mad at me. The whole tin-foil hat is just something I hadn't heard of until this last weekend and it'll take some time for me to get used to the whole idea that some peole actually do this. So please chill out.


Dont worry, i posted that as an afterthought without re-reading the thread properly.
I wasnt gunning for anyone imparticular - you didnt seem to be taking the piss anyway. :)



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26 Feb 2007, 6:01 pm

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Are you aware of experiments that showed that the human brain can both broadcast and receive radio waves? There are the Russian experiments in which they trained people to send readable signals to radio receivers, and the Pat Flanagan neurophone that can send sound directly into the brain, sound that people can hear. It's a wonder that people who live near transmission towers don't hear FM signals. There is a basis in fact for tinfoil hats.


No i didnt know that :o 8O

I do vaguely recall hearing something about a study in which subjects were found to peform better at mental tasks in the absence of electric appliances. I think its very likely this (if true) could be related to radio interferance released by poorly shielded electronic equipment.

Ive wondered whether radiowaves interfere with animals in some way - could be especially bad for autistics, who tend to be hypersensitive to some stimuli.



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26 Feb 2007, 11:19 pm

For those of you who are interested, I have a blog devoted to the subject of recovery from schizophrenia and psychosis. I created that blog after encountering two psychiatrists in the online environment who were insistent that schizophrenia is incurable. It may be of interest to any of you who have ever received a diagnosis of schizophrenia or have a loved one with the disorder.

I do not know if there might be any material there that might assist those of you with asperger's or autism, but you are welcome to look: Spiritual Recovery

I also have a companion blog as based on my own experience with psychosis. I have made a full recovery with no hospitals, no medication, and no formal therapy: Spiritual Emergency

For those of you who may be curious about "schizophrenics" I recommend the following entries...



For the individual who noted (correctly) that schizophrenia is not the equivalent of multi-personality disorder, here's a terrific quote you can use should you be called on to make that defense again...

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Contrary to popular misunderstanding the term "schizophrenia" does not refer to multiple personality syndrome. The Greek etymology of the word actually means "broken soul" or "broken heart".


Source: The Inner Apocalypse - Michael O'Callaghan



phrenic Gr. phrenM = (1) diaphragm, and (2) brain. From this word, which dates back to the time when the heart was thought to be the seat of emotions, two series of terms have been derived. From its first meaning, heart or diaphragm, we get the name of the phrenic nerve. On the other hand, from its second meaning for brain, we get phrenology and several compound terms ending in phrenia, such as schizophrenia, now transformed into frenzy. The heart continues to be thought of as the seat of the emotions only in amorous affairs, in which the mind plays a little part.




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26 Feb 2007, 11:48 pm

ty. for your contribution! very insightful. i will bookmark that page!!



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26 Feb 2007, 11:56 pm

First, the term is a catch-all. And it's not the old "multiple personality" which is now called DID. And they have a pretty good idea of what causes that and how to treat it. Trouble is, it takes years.

My experience with it was many years ago, when I worked for a couple of months in one of California's mental hospitals (now closed...at Napa California). Everyone in my psych class was expected to put in a couple of months. I met a partacularly violent young woman, who was really dangerous when she was having an "episode." At other times, she was one of the sweetest people I've ever met. They did not use drugs at that time, because they really didn't have them. One day, when she was calm, I sat down on the floor in the day room with her and asked "do you know what you're doing when you go off the way you do, or do you just black out?" And she told me "of course I know what I'm doing, but I can't stop myself. You don't understand paranoia. Do me a favor?" "What?" I asked. "I like you, I'd feel terrible if I hurt you. Stay away from me when I go up in smoke. If you don't, I'll probably kill you one day. And that'll make me very sad." Given that she was there for killing three people, I decided to take the advice. I don't know what happened to her, but that has always haunted me. Understand, these were not "meltdowns" She saw people coming out of the walls at her, and she saw us as "the enemy." but it has always bothered me that medicine failed her so utterly!.
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