Undercover Cop Tricks Autistic Student into Selling Him Weed
League_Girl wrote:
AmethystRose wrote:
ReticentJaeger wrote:
Azereiah wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Question is, why didn't they warn the student?
Because nobody cared. Nobody was his friend, as far as I can tell.
Yep.
Basically.
And let's be real: Having the undercover cop waste his time on a nerd was good for the actual teenage drug dealers. Took the heat off.
Edit: Also, thinking about it more, this kid was probably used to being lied to and teased by classmates; so, even if someone tired to warn him, why would he believe the warning?
Then the problem would be on the kid unfortunately but at least it would mean someone did try. Then he would regret not listening to that person when he or she tried telling him.
The problem is on the kid?? LoLwut? Fun fact: He had and still has ASD. "Who" it's on is the system that led to the setup.
AmethystRose wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
AmethystRose wrote:
ReticentJaeger wrote:
Azereiah wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Question is, why didn't they warn the student?
Because nobody cared. Nobody was his friend, as far as I can tell.
Yep.
Basically.
And let's be real: Having the undercover cop waste his time on a nerd was good for the actual teenage drug dealers. Took the heat off.
Edit: Also, thinking about it more, this kid was probably used to being lied to and teased by classmates; so, even if someone tired to warn him, why would he believe the warning?
Then the problem would be on the kid unfortunately but at least it would mean someone did try. Then he would regret not listening to that person when he or she tried telling him.
The problem is on the kid?? LoLwut? Fun fact: He had and still has ASD. "Who" it's on is the system that led to the setup.
If someone told me this person was not my friend and he is trying to set me up and he could be an undercover cop, and I still went along with being his friend ignoring what I had been told, it wouldn't be my problem?
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Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
AmethystRose wrote:
The teenager wasn't a drug dealer and had never bought drugs before in his life until that undercover cop pressured him into it. He refused to buy them many times, and only finally caved because his "friend" the cop threatened to never talk to him again if he didn't.
Yeah, he had no idea how even to go about it, and finally found some bum to get some weed for him, and just gave him the $20 the cop had given him. He didn't make a profit or anything. He was just coerced into being an intermediary.
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AmethystRose wrote:
Edit: Also, thinking about it more, this kid was probably used to being lied to and teased by classmates; so, even if someone tired to warn him, why would he believe the warning?
Maybe if someone had tried to warn him, then at least the possibility would be in his mind and he might have thought to talk to his parents about it.
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League_Girl wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
I would bet $ his parents also do recreational drugs with no medical need.
If so then they have failed as parents.
Also, mixing medications with recreational drugs is very dangerous.
This sort of behavior could cause the boy to have a seizure, kidney failure, or death.
School is not the place for recreational drugs, and certainly not the illegal drug trade.
If so then they have failed as parents.
Also, mixing medications with recreational drugs is very dangerous.
This sort of behavior could cause the boy to have a seizure, kidney failure, or death.
School is not the place for recreational drugs, and certainly not the illegal drug trade.
Then perhaps cops shouldn't encourage it by posing as students and pressuring people to use/buy drugs....
Meh I don't really care if people do drugs or not, and simply think there should be adequate help for addiction issues people could develop with excessive use. Many people disagree with marijuana for instance being illegal, has been legalized in states and some states are going to be voting on it........so don't really see how someone has failed as a parent if they've used recreational drugs........but then I do not think recreational drug use is morally wrong either .
I found out my youngest brother did drugs in high school. Peer pressure.
I found out my brother, not the youngest of them was smoking weed at 12....he and his friend would sneak a bit of that friends dads and go out into the mountains/forest and smoke it, from what I understand it was more mischief than peer pressure though....and I didn't even know what marijuana really was till I was like 15 and even then I was still fuzzy on it....finally tried it when I was 16 visiting relatives more from curiosity than anything and probably somewhat of liking to be included in an activity.
Is there really a different thought? Kids will sometimes do things just because their friends are doing it or see their classmates doing it. "If they jumped off a bridge, would you jump off the bridge?"
Depends on the bridge, I actually did jump off one in Minnesota because well...me and my cousins where jumping into the river from a rock and then we decided to try out the bridge.....would I jump off a bridge where I am likely to die/be injured if someone else does it? Hell no, but that particular instance it was fun.
Either way I think my main reason for trying any substance has mostly been curiosity, wanting to experience a different mental state, feel better, as a social activity and once because someone put something in my drink without me knowing

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LostInSpace wrote:
AmethystRose wrote:
Edit: Also, thinking about it more, this kid was probably used to being lied to and teased by classmates; so, even if someone tired to warn him, why would he believe the warning?
Maybe if someone had tried to warn him, then at least the possibility would be in his mind and he might have thought to talk to his parents about it.
I would be wishing someone had warned me if I had found out others were skeptical about him and found him fishy. I would wonder why didn't anyone tell me? I would feel no one cared. I would also wonder if they assumed I would know just because they knew giving them the benefit of the doubt. Trying to think from my 17 year old perspective, I would be hurt and be betrayed and feel I can't trust anyone again and it may be years later when I would realize my peers lacked TOM so they didn't warn me. But I would still think if I would have known, I wouldn't have done it. I would also think anyone who tries and gets me to do something illegal isn't a friend and can't be trusted. Hopefully the kid will recover.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
Sweetleaf wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
I would bet $ his parents also do recreational drugs with no medical need.
If so then they have failed as parents.
Also, mixing medications with recreational drugs is very dangerous.
This sort of behavior could cause the boy to have a seizure, kidney failure, or death.
School is not the place for recreational drugs, and certainly not the illegal drug trade.
If so then they have failed as parents.
Also, mixing medications with recreational drugs is very dangerous.
This sort of behavior could cause the boy to have a seizure, kidney failure, or death.
School is not the place for recreational drugs, and certainly not the illegal drug trade.
Then perhaps cops shouldn't encourage it by posing as students and pressuring people to use/buy drugs....
Meh I don't really care if people do drugs or not, and simply think there should be adequate help for addiction issues people could develop with excessive use. Many people disagree with marijuana for instance being illegal, has been legalized in states and some states are going to be voting on it........so don't really see how someone has failed as a parent if they've used recreational drugs........but then I do not think recreational drug use is morally wrong either .
I found out my youngest brother did drugs in high school. Peer pressure.
I found out my brother, not the youngest of them was smoking weed at 12....he and his friend would sneak a bit of that friends dads and go out into the mountains/forest and smoke it, from what I understand it was more mischief than peer pressure though....and I didn't even know what marijuana really was till I was like 15 and even then I was still fuzzy on it....finally tried it when I was 16 visiting relatives more from curiosity than anything and probably somewhat of liking to be included in an activity.
Is there really a different thought? Kids will sometimes do things just because their friends are doing it or see their classmates doing it. "If they jumped off a bridge, would you jump off the bridge?"
Depends on the bridge, I actually did jump off one in Minnesota because well...me and my cousins where jumping into the river from a rock and then we decided to try out the bridge.....would I jump off a bridge where I am likely to die/be injured if someone else does it? Hell no, but that particular instance it was fun.
Either way I think my main reason for trying any substance has mostly been curiosity, wanting to experience a different mental state, feel better, as a social activity and once because someone put something in my drink without me knowing

LOL I said the same thing in middle school about the bridge. I did jump off a cliff once because everyone else was doing it in my class and I saw it was safe to do so I did it. It was a huge rock and we were in the river rafting and we all got out on the side of the river and swam a little. Jumping off was like jumping into a pool from a diving board.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
League_Girl wrote:
AmethystRose wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
AmethystRose wrote:
ReticentJaeger wrote:
Azereiah wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Question is, why didn't they warn the student?
Because nobody cared. Nobody was his friend, as far as I can tell.
Yep.
Basically.
And let's be real: Having the undercover cop waste his time on a nerd was good for the actual teenage drug dealers. Took the heat off.
Edit: Also, thinking about it more, this kid was probably used to being lied to and teased by classmates; so, even if someone tired to warn him, why would he believe the warning?
Then the problem would be on the kid unfortunately but at least it would mean someone did try. Then he would regret not listening to that person when he or she tried telling him.
The problem is on the kid?? LoLwut? Fun fact: He had and still has ASD. "Who" it's on is the system that led to the setup.
If someone told me this person was not my friend and he is trying to set me up and he could be an undercover cop, and I still went along with being his friend ignoring what I had been told, it wouldn't be my problem?
1) This teenager suffers from ASD and had no friends at the school or anywhere in life.
2) Those with ASD are very often very trusting, and if you tell a person with ASD that you like them and that they are your friend, they will tend to believe you and be happy to have a friend; however, people with ASD are not incapable of learning, even in social situations, and if this student had already learned that his current classmates are not trustworthy, then he would continue with not trusting them. This is rational.
3) The cop came in as a "new" student, and to the AS teen (who didn't realize other students were avoiding this cop because he was a cop) this "new student" might have looked like a bit of an outcast... a bit like the teen himself. Maybe some students gave him warnings when they saw how attached to the cop he had become -- and maybe the teen defended his friend, who he saw as being subject now to the same bullying he had been facing. This is rational.
So... Yeah. I guess it is the kid's problem; he shouldn't have been so rational and trusted his only friend not to be an undercover cop like that. (Sarcasm)
Sweetleaf wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
I would bet $ his parents also do recreational drugs with no medical need.
If so then they have failed as parents.
Also, mixing medications with recreational drugs is very dangerous.
This sort of behavior could cause the boy to have a seizure, kidney failure, or death.
School is not the place for recreational drugs, and certainly not the illegal drug trade.
If so then they have failed as parents.
Also, mixing medications with recreational drugs is very dangerous.
This sort of behavior could cause the boy to have a seizure, kidney failure, or death.
School is not the place for recreational drugs, and certainly not the illegal drug trade.
Then perhaps cops shouldn't encourage it by posing as students and pressuring people to use/buy drugs....
Meh I don't really care if people do drugs or not, and simply think there should be adequate help for addiction issues people could develop with excessive use. Many people disagree with marijuana for instance being illegal, has been legalized in states and some states are going to be voting on it........so don't really see how someone has failed as a parent if they've used recreational drugs........but then I do not think recreational drug use is morally wrong either .
I'm 48 now and up until about 6 months ago I thought pretty much the same way that you do on this. It turns out that the information set that I had been using before to base my thinking on was very incomplete. I was forced to conclude that the stance I had for so long was flawed.
Stargazer43 wrote:
I don't see what the problem is? He was dealing drugs, whether he was pressured or has Aspergers doesn't matter. I'm sure 90% of drug dealers out there have some excuse as to why they do it...some probably do it to pay the medical bills for their dying parents. It doesn't make it right though, for all the drugs they sell they ruin other people's lives.
+1
It's the "ends justifies the means" principle like what the Nazis used.
AmethystRose wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
AmethystRose wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
AmethystRose wrote:
ReticentJaeger wrote:
Azereiah wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Question is, why didn't they warn the student?
Because nobody cared. Nobody was his friend, as far as I can tell.
Yep.
Basically.
And let's be real: Having the undercover cop waste his time on a nerd was good for the actual teenage drug dealers. Took the heat off.
Edit: Also, thinking about it more, this kid was probably used to being lied to and teased by classmates; so, even if someone tired to warn him, why would he believe the warning?
Then the problem would be on the kid unfortunately but at least it would mean someone did try. Then he would regret not listening to that person when he or she tried telling him.
The problem is on the kid?? LoLwut? Fun fact: He had and still has ASD. "Who" it's on is the system that led to the setup.
If someone told me this person was not my friend and he is trying to set me up and he could be an undercover cop, and I still went along with being his friend ignoring what I had been told, it wouldn't be my problem?
1) This teenager suffers from ASD and had no friends at the school or anywhere in life.
2) Those with ASD are very often very trusting, and if you tell a person with ASD that you like them and that they are your friend, they will tend to believe you and be happy to have a friend; however, people with ASD are not incapable of learning, even in social situations, and if this student had already learned that his current classmates are not trustworthy, then he would continue with not trusting them. This is rational.
3) The cop came in as a "new" student, and to the AS teen (who didn't realize other students were avoiding this cop because he was a cop) this "new student" might have looked like a bit of an outcast... a bit like the teen himself. Maybe some students gave him warnings when they saw how attached to the cop he had become -- and maybe the teen defended his friend, who he saw as being subject now to the same bullying he had been facing. This is rational.
So... Yeah. I guess it is the kid's problem; he shouldn't have been so rational and trusted his only friend not to be an undercover cop like that. (Sarcasm)
It's actually common for anyone to trust their friends so they ignore the warnings and red flags they are given by people. That is why people don't always tell their friends they are being used or that their friend is bad news or that they are being abused or mistreated because no point. They will just think you're lying or jealous or paranoid and trying to get them to turn on their "friend." Same goes for in relationships too. So I can't tie it down to ASD if he were warned and he ignored the warning because he thought it was a lie.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
League_Girl wrote:
AmethystRose wrote:
1) This teenager suffers from ASD and had no friends at the school or anywhere in life.
2) Those with ASD are very often very trusting, and if you tell a person with ASD that you like them and that they are your friend, they will tend to believe you and be happy to have a friend; however, people with ASD are not incapable of learning, even in social situations, and if this student had already learned that his current classmates are not trustworthy, then he would continue with not trusting them. This is rational.
3) The cop came in as a "new" student, and to the AS teen (who didn't realize other students were avoiding this cop because he was a cop) this "new student" might have looked like a bit of an outcast... a bit like the teen himself. Maybe some students gave him warnings when they saw how attached to the cop he had become -- and maybe the teen defended his friend, who he saw as being subject now to the same bullying he had been facing. This is rational.
So... Yeah. I guess it is the kid's problem; he shouldn't have been so rational and trusted his only friend not to be an undercover cop like that. (Sarcasm)
2) Those with ASD are very often very trusting, and if you tell a person with ASD that you like them and that they are your friend, they will tend to believe you and be happy to have a friend; however, people with ASD are not incapable of learning, even in social situations, and if this student had already learned that his current classmates are not trustworthy, then he would continue with not trusting them. This is rational.
3) The cop came in as a "new" student, and to the AS teen (who didn't realize other students were avoiding this cop because he was a cop) this "new student" might have looked like a bit of an outcast... a bit like the teen himself. Maybe some students gave him warnings when they saw how attached to the cop he had become -- and maybe the teen defended his friend, who he saw as being subject now to the same bullying he had been facing. This is rational.
So... Yeah. I guess it is the kid's problem; he shouldn't have been so rational and trusted his only friend not to be an undercover cop like that. (Sarcasm)
It's actually common for anyone to trust their friends so they ignore the warnings and red flags they are given by people. That is why people don't always tell their friends they are being used or that their friend is bad news or that they are being abused or mistreated because no point. They will just think you're lying or jealous or paranoid and trying to get them to turn on their "friend." Same goes for in relationships too. So I can't tie it down to ASD if he were warned and he ignored the warning because he thought it was a lie.
I agree with your facts, but not your conclusion. There are relevant facts left out and ignored. Really, though, we don't even know if he was warned, so the point is moot and I want to stop talking about it now.
The real issue here is that that cop should never have been at a school, posing as a student, and tricking teens in the first place.
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