Is it possible to be half aspie?
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Many neuroscience people have never heard of BAP, so they don't use the term for that reason, not because they think that it should be restricted to family members. The term originated with studies of family members, but broadened in recent years.
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Yeah, I'm studying psychology & neuroscience so I would totally agree on that, but the studies I've found seem to have been done by psychologists (or psychiatrists), not neuroscientists.
I agree with the possibility of it being able to broaden, but I still just haven't found scientific evidence of researchers broadening it - it seems more like people with an interest in autism read about BAP and then they broadened it themselves, which is why I question whether the term can broadened (scientifically speaking) or not. I'll keep looking into it.

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I've seen quite a few studies about it in non-relatives while keeping up with stuff on pubmed over the past 2-3 years. I don't really care about use of the term BAP or not, as I am more interested in autistic traits in general population than in just family members, and researchers can call it what they want. We call it high AQ in our lab, and there is a joke that machines stop working when someone with low AQ walks into the room.
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Of course they can call it what they want, but if it's not being called BAP, the question should be why? Is it because of a point I brought up earlier - there's really no need for a "new term" to describe someone with autistic traits? Or is there another reason? (And of course, there are people who don't even believe in the validity and reliability of the AQ, but whatever.) Also, I'm curious about what do you define as a high AQ? (Like high meaning someone scores in the normal range aspies tend to score in or just higher than the average score of non-autistic individuals?)
I'm personally more interested in the neurobiological basis of autism (but I'm also considering say a PhD in genetics so I'm interested in the genetic basis of autism as well), so maybe that's why I care about the use of the term. Or it could just be my psychology background that makes me want to know the "why."
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Tony Atrtwood about subclinical Aspergers/BAP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUG3wOggA0g
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Yes he´s terriffic at explaining, how AS can take all sorts of forms with all mixtures of strengths and weaknesses. He´s important to adults, who have lived a long life believing, that they were low-quality NT, when, in fact they are aspies.It can be hard to recognize descriptions, especially as a female.
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you sound like an aspie. Being affectionate has nothing to do with it. Many aspies are affectionate. making eye contact and reading body language - some aspies can do that. maybe your asperger is mild.
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Broad Autism Phenotype is quite a fascinating concept. I don't see why researchers, especially genetic/epigenetic researchers, haven't run with it.
It's not as simple, I believe, than a hypothetical situation where some people have the "trait" for autism, like people have the "trait" for Sickle Cell Anemia; don't you wish it were that simple?
I also believe there are people who are "subclinical" most of the time who could become "clinical" under stress. I believe I am one of those people. I have gotten into trouble many times because of my "clinical" manifestations under stress. There have been times when I growled and meowed on the train in the presence of cops! A couple of times, I was taken off the train for a "talking to" by cops. I calmed down sufficiently, by then, to not be taken to a psych ward (yep...I became aware of the potential pitfalls of that after I calmed down a bit!).
Then there are the people who are "subclinical" all the time--they just have "nerdy" interests and are introverted. They might not make eye contact too well--but it's seen as being "shyness" rather than a disorder.
It's quite a subjective concept, really, at this point--but, if there are people willing to be subjects for genetic/epigenetic research, I believe we could come up with interesting findings pertaining to people who are on the "cusp" of autism.
This sounds like me as well.
Thanks for sharing this Jensen. He really seems to understand. The following quote from the video seems to describe my situation quite well:
“There are varying degrees of expression. And the degree of expression changes over time and with stress.
The more stress the person is, the more the characteristics can occur.
But someone can have the profile, but not the disability.
In other words, they have a parent, partner, friends, colleagues who understand them and support them.
And so the characteristics are minimized in what we call an Asperger-friendly environment.
But..if that relative dies, moves, goes. Change of manager. All those sorts of things. Can cause that person to have increased stress.
Now technically, the diagnosis is given to identify someone who needs government support…”
For me, when I am in a “steady state” (i.e. I am working; I am able to fully control my environment; I have lots of alone time; I am able to complete my routines without interruption; I am not compelled to engage in idle socializing; I am not under unusual stress), I consider myself no different than a normal, quiet introvert. Essentially, someone who is deep within their own inner world.
Thanks for the link. Is it just me or does he almost describe it like a personality type?
It's not as simple, I believe, than a hypothetical situation where some people have the "trait" for autism, like people have the "trait" for Sickle Cell Anemia; don't you wish it were that simple?
I also believe there are people who are "subclinical" most of the time who could become "clinical" under stress. I believe I am one of those people. I have gotten into trouble many times because of my "clinical" manifestations under stress. There have been times when I growled and meowed on the train in the presence of cops! A couple of times, I was taken off the train for a "talking to" by cops. I calmed down sufficiently, by then, to not be taken to a psych ward (yep...I became aware of the potential pitfalls of that after I calmed down a bit!).
Then there are the people who are "subclinical" all the time--they just have "nerdy" interests and are introverted. They might not make eye contact too well--but it's seen as being "shyness" rather than a disorder.
It's quite a subjective concept, really, at this point--but, if there are people willing to be subjects for genetic/epigenetic research, I believe we could come up with interesting findings pertaining to people who are on the "cusp" of autism.
I agree; I also find it very interesting but I completely understand why much research hasn't been done. As you said, this is all subjective at this point. I think that once we have a good understanding of the cause(s) of autism, then research will shift to other things, like the personality traits that characterize/make up autism.
I have a good friend who's like this, actually. She has autistic siblings (I forget the actual number, but at least two of them are diagnosed) and I've pointed out her autistic traits for a while now. I also had her take the AQ and she did score pretty high, but not at the "cut off" for Aspergers, which is about 32, I think? She definitely has some traits - mainly pertaining to sensory issues - but I can't see her qualifying for a diagnosis. She's also ADD and dyslexic (and I swear she's OCD too), so there's definitely a lot of overlapping traits seen in the disorders that are co-morbid with autism. That's something I'd like to research more. I personally feel like autism is a disorder made up of other disorders.
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BAP just means continuous distribution of autistic traits into non-autistic people.
The trait set that defines autism can be fractionated, such that some BAP has some set, and other BAP has other set.
In family studies, the focus is usually on the endophenotype that is some specific autistic trait that seems genetically transmitted in family members.
I think that BAP is useful idea for people to recognize that they have autistic traits without getting diagnosed with autism or having any need to be diagnosed with autism. They might adjust their behaviors and environment to fit themselves better if they recognize that they are BAP/have autistic traits.
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I sometimes wonder if aspergers is an interaction of different things, like people can share the same underlying pathology but it interacts with their temperaments and only in certain combinations does it cause enough problems to have been recognised. Or that people are made up of a range of dimensions, and that aspergers is just an uncommon but completely normal combination of strengths/weaknesses on various dimensions (maybe some dimensions can compensate for each other but if we are weak in both it causes problems), that is just my speculation.
To me it seems obvious BAP exists, aspergers is defined by the problems it causes rather than un understanding of the underlying causes, seems logical that it therefore will not map onto exactly whatever the underlying pathology really is and the cut off is somewhat arbitrary based on some idea of need. And it must be possible to have it without being a relative as someone would have it before they have a diagnosed child. Whether it can be sufficiently isolated from other things to be diagnosable (and whether it is needed) is another question.
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