1/2 of US babies ASD by 2025, Glyphosate, & a 2h Autism One

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Looked at the article and even that said there is just a correlation, its not actual proof there is a link between the things you're claiming the article proves 100%. If this chemical being used on crops was causing autism, wouldn't everyone who's ingested any have autism? why does it only effect some people?

re: gut problems and the spectrum. i always thought that because we have higher anxiety levels http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18029412 'Adults with autism were almost three times more anxious than the comparison group'

and anxiety can cause digestive problems http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Irritable- ... auses.aspx

so it makes sense that a group of people who are more anxious than normal would have more bowel problems. also given that there are severl genetic mutations that are potentially linked to autism then maybe some of those can also cause disgestive problems.

for personal anacdote i had reocrruent stomach problems as a child. part of the problem was that i had no idea (and still have very little idea) of when i am hungry or thirtsty. so i would not eat for a vry long time and then a food i like would be put in front of me and i would eat until i cried because i couldnt tell when i was full until i was having an intense pain reaction. also not drinking enough can cause consitpation as well as other problems (i ahve some kidney damage because of poorly hydrating myself now i have people to remind me to hydrate myself). so i wouldnt actually be so very quick to say that theyre envirovmentally (in terms of toxins) based. certain problems that autistic people have can make it very hard to take good care of yourself. whith a people who cant feel hungar or thirst well its up to parents and care gviers to be extra extra aware of that and try to help them to remember to do it but a lot of poeple ive spoken to only realise they have to do that when some damage is already done. i fainted from dyhradtion multiple times at school before they could find a system that works ( i also hated the sensation of swalloing as a child im nto sure why but that definitely didnt make anyoens job easier)

Gut flora this, gut flora that. Stupid. Pseudoscience. The reason I now boycott National Geographic, that and because their article about this nonsense showed a boy they claimed was "suffering" from Asperger's.

You boycott National Geographic over one article?...damn. It's certainly been a while since I have read one but as I remember there where some articles some articles on rather far fetched topics, just to discuss it, seems like that was just one of those. Did the article say the boy had autism because of the gut 'flora' never heard that term before I admit does it mean we now have plants in our digestive tracts? lol

Individual susceptability, dosing, reactions....

There was, a few years ago, the "bright idea" to put statins in the U.S. drinking-water because Americans are famously obese and statins claim to reduce cholesterol-related cardiac events. The trouble was, after some thinking by more reasonable minds, that the PPM dosing of statins might presume only adults over, say, an overall cholesterol score of 230 (the threshold for statin prescription), but what do we do with the other individuals with scores of about 175-200? Healthy individuals and a great number of children would be dosed with statins without needing the drugs and risk all the known side effects of statins unnecessarily.

The same is true when, a few years ago, the federal Department of Health and Human Services reduced the recommended amount of sodium fluoride in drinking water because individuals (especially children) who had healthy teeth were essentially overdosing on the sodium fluoride (which is NOT the same as natural calcium fluoride) and cases of dental fluorosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis increased.

So, if glyphosates influence, say, slightly more severe autistic characteristics among those individuals who might have BAP or another mild ASD thereby shifting them to a more severe form of ASD, would that be a reason to avoid using the glyphosates? In my mind, it would.

I believe that the possibility of risk from glyphosates and other environmental influences is where our discussion should exist.

i knoe what you are saying and maybe many people agree. but it is upsetting to see that people seem to almost universally agree that they way you are is to be avoided at all costs.

i like my life. i like my support workers. if they wrent helping me they would be helping someone else or they wouldnt have jobs. if other people were not so making assumptions about people with 'severe forms of ASD' maybe you would realise that some of us are perfectly happy the way we are.

some of us arent. but isnt that true for your 'mild ASD' people too? i see a lot of people complaining about it. Isnt it also true for people who dont have autism or disabilities of any kind? Some people are unhappy with life. some people aren't.

maybe this is not the thread to say this but this attitude seems to be everywhere and i dont know how or where is the right place to talk about it. mostly also because i can talk to you people wave me away as probably actually very high functiong. because by low fucntioning we mean cant communicate ammirite? and if they cant communicate you can assume whatever you life about their 'quality of life' or whatever it is that makes people want 'low functioning' people to go away and you dont have to listen to anyone saying the opposite

I agree completely and am sorry that I didn't take more care in describing what I meant. I believe that every individual with ASDs, regardless of their severity, is created exactly as he or she was intended to be. We should continue our work to build a better world where all are working together by including individuals with ASDs.

But, I have a problem with those individuals and corporations who, by polluting our food and water with chemicals which might have a permanent and detrimental effect on some, such as individuals with ASDs, might be doing so without caring about what the effects of their activities might bring to those who had and continue to have no choice in the matter.

Ding ding ding. This is what I've been trying to communicate on the forums over the last year. In my experience, antibiotic induced intestinal dysbiosis has exacerbated ASD symptoms to the nth degree. Killing off bad bacteria by starving them of the foods they like & eating a lot of strong antifungals/antibacterial foods/herbs/oils & then supplements to heal the intestinal lining, followed up by mass amounts of probiotics has dramatically reduced my symptoms and I'm living a second life for it.

It'd be interesting to have someone like you observe me in the very high functioning state I'm in now, and then watch what happens after I take a strong course of antibiotics & ASD symptoms return and/or are amplified. Then watch as I do what I do again w/ diet/cleansing/probiotics (as I've been doing intensely since antibiotics in October ruined the balance I had going) & watch symptoms disappear again.

It really screws with my work life, but I know I can repeat it if I take strong antibiotics again. I'd consider doing it and other dietary changes to induce symptoms just so someone could observe it happening.

Then when did symptoms return & amplify after I took a strong course of antibiotics in October? Why I have I been able to use cleansing & mass amounts of probiotics over the last month or so to dramatically reduce symptoms and increase functioning again? My own experiences with all of this is all the proof I need to know what I'm doing works wonders.

I would say that many of them are gone/near gone when I'm at my best. Like I've said countless times over the last year; I've managed to reduce my symptoms overall by ~95% and am living a second life. I'm way higher functioning, a lot less "idiot" and a little more "savant." I'm not just "handling it better," everything has in fact improved. Everything from anxiety levels to fine motor skills. Doctors/textbooks say the symptoms I've managed to successfully treat are ASD symptoms. As I've said many times, I've read Dr. Tony Attwood's "The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome," and am very aware of the textbook definitions of symptoms as well via my own lifetime of experiences.

The detailed explanation is the 2 hour Autism One presentation youtube video in the link I posted when I started this thread. Listen to it and you'll have a much better explanation than I can convey.

I'm not getting entrenched in this thing, just saying hi!

The effects are cumulative. People who consume more of it are more likely to have neurological problems. Also, I'd guess it also has to do with the rest of one's gut flora and dietary factors. I consumed the perfect storm of antibiotics and a poor-ish diet filled with sugars, complex carbs, alcohol, caffeine, dairy, chocolate etc & prescription stimulants that caused the intestinal infection to get worse and worse and worse amplifying ASD symptoms to the nth degree. My symptoms have been around life long, but they got really REALLY bad a few year ago or so and lasted a few years until I figured out what was causing them and treated it over the last couple years. I knew that I wasn't always like "this" when I was lower functioning, depressed, anxious, unfocused, and countless symptoms were much stronger. I knew that something was making everything worse but it took me years to figure out what and then what to do about it.

Others who may have consumed just as much glyphosate as I did but didn't consume the same perfect storm of antibiotics, prescription stimulants, and poor diet won't likely experience the same magnitude of ASD symptom - i.e. my twin brother who has never drank a drop in his life, never smoked anything, and never taken prescription stimulants. His symptoms are now worse than mine, but his never got nearly as bad as mine did.

Maybe. But my experience has been the exact opposite relationship - the anxiety is caused by the digestive problems. Treat the digestive problems and the anxiety goes away. I used to have SKY HIGH anxiety a couple years ago. Now? Little to none, and less than none when I'm at my best - I feel really actually quite good and don't mind being the centre of attention when I need to be.

Except it's fact & that's why National Geographic and others have been publishing this info recently.

And that's an accurate and fair adjective to use. I've certainly suffered from various Asperger's symptoms as well as their effects on my life. It's not all bad of course, but I can't say I haven't suffered from Asperger's.

Possibly some plant like structures of bacterial/fungal growths, yes.

Gut flora = the entire mix of probiotic beneficial bacteria and bad bacteria, yeast, parasites, funguses etc that make up the gut flora. They aid in digestion as well as neurological functions via the enteric nervous system that's spread throughout the digestive tract and sends more signals to the brain than the brain sends to it. That's why the gut is now being called the second brain.

I've read that out of the number of cells the human body is made up of, 90% of them are not human. We are symbiotic beings comprised of many trillions of bacteria. When these bacterial colonies are greatly imbalanced, we're imbalanced as a whole and have other health/neurological problems because of it.