MSG and links to Autism?

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..and everyone used to know that the world was flat.

Further, since I shared my story here over a year ago, there have been several articles published about Autism being caused by the intestines & probiotics being used to treat Autism symptoms in mice. Others are doing the research bit by bit that will provide the subject-matter-expert-authority-figure information you seek that proves what I've already figured out & done for myself.

I guess it depends on what you are calling an article. There has been no scientific paper about autism being caused by the intestines.

There have been papers about inflammatory processes and pathological gut biomes playing a contributing role in some cases of autism. It is wrong to extrapolate from this the idea that "the intestines cause" autism.

Thank you, Glaucon.


This is largely conspiracy theorist bullplop, and moreover, completely unrelated to the context in which my remarks were made. It is important to examine the bigger picture and not focus on the most obvious details. I was responding to Uranus, who suggested aspartame must be bad because it is banned in some countries. Pointing out that it isn't banned, and is actually considered safe despite being the most studied food additive ever, undermines his original suggestion.

Aspartame is out of patent, so profits on it are rather small. Big chemical companies are known for trying to push new chemicals when their patents expire so they can wring profits out of people (this is a major reason why healthcare spending is so high). It would make more sense for them to lobby for aspartame to be banned, so their new sweeteners gained market share.

There are no medical studies that show MSG causes autism. I can disprove it again.
MSG tends to be used mostly in lower quality foods, because it is a cheap alternative. Many wealthy folks don't eat food containing MSG, yet they still have similar rates of children with autism.
You can buy large bags of MSG at the supermarket.
There is some evidence that MSG causes headaches, but not any more than other sources of sodium.

Here's a link to the thread I posted about this particular article: http://www.wrongplanet.net/forums/viewt ... 3&t=262093 (I've posted threads & links to other similar articles/videos discussing gut flora/biome as causing/contributing to/exacerbating Autism.) The direct link to the article I posted about seems to be down, but here's another from the same website that covers pretty much the exact same thing & references some other studies: http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/autisms ... tion/33302

Mmmmkay, you can ingest my share of Aspartame all you like. I'd rather not poison myself with it.

If it means sweeter food, I'll happily have your Aspartame! Will you pay for shipping?

No. You can feel free to purchase all the Aspartame I don't buy.

You play fast and loose with the facts, this is sloppy thinking.

What your link says:





It's just FALSE to say that there is any study that shows that leaky gut or gut biome problems are THE CAUSE of autism or have even been proven to be A CAUSE of autism. That there is a connection in some cases has been shown. That is all.

<-- This is me not caring what you or any study says or doesn't say about it.

I know that treating myself via diet & probiotics has enabled me to live the second life that I am. I also know that when I took a strong course of antibiotics in October that my ASD symptoms returned and amplified BIG TIME, and that by treating myself w/ intense cleanses & probiotics again has minimized symptoms and allowed me to carry on moving forward. Sure, I still have the odd ASD moment that screws with my life.. but it's the odd moment, not my all-the-time like it used to be. I really don't get why people here think I'm making this up, as if I have something to gain by fabricating my story. But like I've said for the last year or so, you not believing me doesn't change my life one iota. I'm happier and healthier for having figured this out & anyone else who opts to try it for themselves might achieve similar results. You're also free to completely ignore me and do as you please - it doesn't affect my life at all. I've simply put it out there, take it or leave it, it's your life & I don't care what you do or don't do with it.

Personal anecdotes beat science in the same way rock beats paper.

My personal experience trumps all else, really. I've lived it. Science simply hasn't caught up and conducted & published a study about it yet. It's expensive to conduct a medical study. If I had unlimited financial resources, I'd finance one to prove what I already know. But I don't have unlimited financial resources. So all I have is my personal anecdote to offer, take it or leave it.

Feel free to do as you've always done and get as you've always got.

Your personal experience tells you that you tried many, many things and experienced huge positive change. That's interesting and potentially useful for others.

But you keep drawing extreme conclusions that cannot be supported by your experience and falsely claiming that these extreme conclusions are supported by research like the report you linked to.

You don't know what causes autism. You only know that the symptoms that bother you got better. You did so many things that you can't really say which ones were effective and which ones were not. I believe that things got much better for you, but it's wrong of you to generalize so freely. You just don't know.

I think you are a sincere person who is trying to share a positive experience and help others, and I understand why you would be enthusiastic after such a positive experience, but please don't make these grandiose claims. Your story can stand on it's own without all this embellishment.

What extreme conclusions? And it is not false that a variety of studies & articles support my experiences. It's fact.

I may not know for certain what initially causes it (genetic? gut biome factors during brain development? a combination + other factors?) but I have figured out what exacerbates it in myself and how to successfully treat it - which is likely to work for many others considering that 90% of those on the spectrum report digestive issues.

I did so many things? I did many things to treat/target the same thing, so really I did very few things via several different angles, as I logically explained was in order to kill off undesirable bacteria/fungus/pathogens w/o them building a resistance to one or two particular antifungals. The entire regiment, in general, has been effective. I can't say for certain, for instance, that consuming diatomaceous earth to aid in detoxing heavy metals actually did so and had a positive effect - especially since, like I said all along, I was healing myself not conducting a medical study.. so I don't have lab tests at set intervals to show heavy metal levels declining etc. But I do know that nothing I've done has harmed me, so even if something was redundant, it hasn't done any lasting harm. (I did disclose that I accidentally induced a herxheimer reaction a couple of times that included vomiting - but that was very, very, temporary & had no lasting negative effect.)

Things did get better for me, thank you. And how is it wrong for me to generally say that e v e r y t h i n g is better for me? I DO know that, thank you very much.

I am sincere. My claims aren't "grandiose." They're simply matter of fact as per my experience, take it or leave it. Whether you believe me or not doesn't change that what I've shared is simply what I've experienced. I have not embellished upon anything. I've simply shared exactly what I've learned, done, and experienced - that's it, that's all.

For the last flipping time, nobody thinks you're "making this up", we think you're incapable of knowing what is really happening and thus leaping conclusions that seem sensible to you but actually aren't.

Why do you jump to the conclusion that I am incapable of knowing what is really happening?

I'm extremely self aware of what really happens to me. I'm not as self aware of when ASD symptoms creep back up on me, as they did after a round of strong antibiotics in October, and had to rely on the constructive criticism and feedback of others to realize that symptoms were returning & I needed to do something about it - and then did, successfully, btw. I've since become a little more consciously focused on any symptoms that impact my day to day and do my best to mitigate them. Further, since mental perceptions are next to impossible to realize are different.. I've devised some simple physical fine motor skills tests for myself. I've found that if I can complete the tests with great success with my hands, that in general all mind-body symptoms are well under control.. but that if I'm a little off with my physical coordination or have any physically observable jittery shaky symptoms, that chances are I have more mental/neurological symptoms affecting me and need to try to consciously mitigate them via intellectual processing once I've made not that I should try to be more aware of them. Sometimes I believe this can be due to over treating myself, as too many probiotics tend to make me a bit jittery as if I've drank a pot of coffee and I haven't. It's all about finding & maintaining the right balance.

Anyways, I am very well aware that my symptoms are, by and large, under control due to the treatment protocol I follow & that I am living a second, happier, healthier, wealthier life for it. It's not just my imagination that I'm able to do things with relative ease in daily life that were once either difficult or impossible for me. It's not my imagination that I used to be anxious & severely depressed and now I am not. It's not my imagination that my self worth, and my net worth, used to be very deep in the red and that I now feel a whole heck of a lot better And have accumulated tens of thousands of dollars in the black. All of these positive changes in my life I attribute to my improved health and well being for having figured out how to successfully treat my ASD/comorbid symptoms via diet, supplements, cleanses, probiotics, exercise & learning. Health is wealth & you are what you eat, my friend.