Do you consider autism a disease ?
I consider it an impairment/disability.
People who use the term "autism" to describe folks who are just eccentric and quirky, but are in no way impaired/disabled, are full of crap IMHO.
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I imagine, there was a time in human history when we classified flowers by color alone. Then somebody noticed that one red flower was somehow different from another red flower. All the people would talk about this for a very long time until it was decided that not all red flowers were the same. But, why? One must be diseased, some thought, but there just was no evidence to prove it. We see differences in the other colors now too. They thought and talked for many more years until one said, "We really should revise this color classification as a means of understanding what a flower is."
It took a very long time to better understand the beautiful flower. The human mind is a much greater challenge to take on. I think it will take many destructions and restructuring of our classification method in order to make progress.
I don't consider it as a disease; hell my allergies bothers me more than being an aspie.
It's called a disease because it's what most who lives in this planet thinks so. Because that's what the doctors says so. Because that's what authority says so. -- No, just no.
But then, it's a spectrum; so some considers it as a disease because it impairs and disables individuals which is true at most LFAs. It varies in culture of course; and how the individual itself and people around the individual deal with it.
Some doesn't because it doesn't disable them or impair them, but rather, misunderstood. I pick this part because it's my own point of view.
But some think it's a disease because it gives anxiety, PSTD, or sort, as those things has nothing to do with autism itself, even they're completely capable of what a functioning human being could do (or do better) -- no, that's just a by product if people treating you like a crap because of your differences, and your parent's wrong way of upbringing -- NTs are not immune to this part if the same thing happens to them. And so they end up concluding the only way for people stop doing what crap they're doing to them is to be 'normal', 'be one of the majority' and 'be like them'. That's my opinion.
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That explains why I've always done better socially with bohemians and other benign outcasts. It's all very fuzzy at the edges, but there are lots of people out there who don't follow the "must do the done thing" rule which gives us so many black marks in the mainstream.
The mainstream seems to be dying out now that previously homogenous sections of society have become "contaminated" beyond the point of no return and barriers are dissolving, and it's always been possible to focus on the fact that no individual in a homogenous group is its absolute stereotype. But it still exists, and in many places it will probably exist for a long time to come.
As for the original question, "is autism a disease?", I think it depends on the definition of the word "disease." A doctor once told me that he felt disease means dis-ease, or the opposite of ease, i.e. something that causes pain, malfunction, or plain difficulty. My autism gives me difficulties and causes my brain to malfunction in certain ways, so by that definition it's a disease. But the word is also often taken to mean "infection," which it clearly isn't, and it can also carry a negative emotional / political charge, so in that sense I don't see it as a disease.
This is incorrect. Wolves and dogs are different species, but can produce viable, fertile offspring. Recently, it was confirmed that a polar bear grizzly hybrid was second generation... It is also our current understanding that homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis interbred extensively and that Neanderthal DNA exists in all modern humans (meaning that the offspring were fertile)...
It's not incorrect. Note I also said usually, as it is usually the way you can identify species. Wolves and dogs are both canis lupus, so they are not different species, they are different sub species.
You are right on that. However, it does not address the rest of it.
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Actually it is not autistics and their families who created the stigma the word carries, that would be society....I mean go out into society and ask a bunch of random people what they think a disease is, you're probably going to find most people associate it with 'sickness' brought on by a virus or germ, or something contagious.....that is what society applied to it not autistics and their famlies. Hell I'd have no problem with the term disease if most people had more knowledge of what it means....but since most people associate it with sickness and germs and being speadable, I prefer the term condition since it doesn't have those associations.
I never said we create it... we apply it, as this thread is showing in spades...
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Being black, a senior citizen, being a veteran are not diseases yet if you are a member of these groups you get benefits even if you have no issues in part because members of these groups are more likely to be impaired by there age, combat, or by society's prejudices. I fail to understand the sentiment that Autistics unlike these and other groups should not seek accommodations and acceptance because not every Autistc needs these. The LGBT community in part is having the substantial gains based on acceptance they should be allowed to be different and successfully arguing they are not a threat to hetrosexuals. If we use the medical model and decide to call ourselves diseased because of the stigma people will fear us ever more. If you have been looking at the news the past year you have noticed unlike the other groups mentioned black people dispute the benefits are advancing much slower in large part because society still fears them.
I may be wrong here, but I would be willing to wager that those Autistics that don't "need" accommodation received skill training, and social skills training when they were very young, allowing them to be better adjusted as an adult... and that training is an accommodation.
We will have to agree to disagree on this... The reason that specialists use syndrome or disorder is because of the stigma... the definitions of same are almost identical and are used to describe a disease with wide reaching implications for the patient.
In simplest terms... if there is something that strays from the mean (i.e. is identifiably wrong) then it is a disease, by medical terminology... One of the questions I have asked the hundreds of doctors and psychs that I have interviewed was "How would you explain "disease" to a layman?" The best and most succinct answer I have received is "If it can be diagnosed, it is a disease."
Now... I have no problems with people using disorder, syndrome or condition... the point of my piece was not the word... but the acknowledgement... since disease, syndrome, disorder and condition are used pretty interchangeably in the medical community, using one to describe yourself is the same as using another... and that is fine...
I just have a problem with the
a) denial of the issue and then wanting accommodation - even if it is from a friend "look, I am like this and when you say thing a I feel thing b and it's just how I am wired"... It's mild, but it is requesting accommodation...
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b) It's not a disease because ->>>insert completely wrong statement about the nature of diseases here<<<
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To me, it's a neurological condition and disorder. It does not make any of us a lesser person for having it.
we are having a discussion here... there was no need to insult anyone... Since it was me who you insulted, I request that you address this with respect, please.
Belief is nothing when compared to fact (and definitions are codified fact)
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Bottom line: we should add "disease" to the list of indefinable concepts, together with "intelligence" and "utopia".
I disagree with this statement 100%. It is something that has already been defined... well defined, studied and clearly explained.
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I don't know if I look at it as a disease in the sense that diabetes is a disease (a physical process that is malfunctioning) but we certainly have a different hard-wired road map and we definitely have different brain chemistry than the majority of people. Sometimes having an ASD is an advantage, because my road map allows me to take the freeway to places where most people are consigned to taking the back roads. Sometimes having an ASD is a disadvantage. In my case the social anxiety and physical awkwardness (gross motor deficits) are clearly disadvantages. Being on the spectrum for me is a double edged sword. It brings both gifts and challenges.
Even though my parents had no clue that my laundry lists of peculiarities and weaknesses were all part of one package, they did try to intervene in my not-at-all-normal development the best they could, bit by bit. I was sent to physical therapy to help me balance and try to coordinate my arms and legs better. I think I lived in doctors' offices and psychologists' offices because of all the physical and emotional difficulties I had.
I am hyperlexic, (which believe me is not all bad,) and for the most part they indulged my insatiable desire for the written word. I spent a lot of time in the library, reading pretty much anything and everything I could get my hands on. My mother enforced the rules of etiquette and proper behavior almost to an extreme- there was to be no staring, no rude tones of voice, no ignoring people, etc. and so on. I hated that growing up- being forced to play the "be social" game, but it has served me well in navigating the world-of-normal.
Being on the spectrum gets easier with age and time. When you're young it really sucks because no one wants to deal with you, and you're constantly terrified and confused, but when you're older you have a lot more latitude to be who you really are- and some life experience to draw upon as a reference point.
So if I had to make a comparison- if someone said to me, "Hey, you can be cured of your autism (??) and have normal wiring, or you can be cured of your diabetes- pick one," I would gladly be cured of the diabetes and my wiring can stay exactly the way it is. As far as diseases go, autism- at least to the degree that it affects me- isn't nearly as bad as diabetes (as I can attest from personal experience,) or cancer or heart disease or those sorts of things.
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Actually it is not autistics and their families who created the stigma the word carries, that would be society....I mean go out into society and ask a bunch of random people what they think a disease is, you're probably going to find most people associate it with 'sickness' brought on by a virus or germ, or something contagious.....that is what society applied to it not autistics and their famlies. Hell I'd have no problem with the term disease if most people had more knowledge of what it means....but since most people associate it with sickness and germs and being speadable, I prefer the term condition since it doesn't have those associations.
I never said we create it... we apply it, as this thread is showing in spades...
Yes many of us apply it along with the rest of society, just seemed you where implying autistics believe this moreso than neurotypicals or something, but perhaps i misunderstood.
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Considering this entire discussion and the fact that normal functioning is a highly subjective concept that changes every decade or so (so much that homosexuality was considered a disease until the last century and up to 1994 osteoporosis was officially considered a normal sign of old age, instead of a disease), I do not think the definition is as clear cut as you say. It is still too broad and dependant on another equally vague concept (the aforementioned normal functioning).
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