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23 Mar 2007, 9:00 am

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I dont think im very creative at all, and I dont see why people think thats a really bad thing.


Maybe your the more focus type thats does not have ADHD like problems. Which mean you can get things done though granted they might not be amazing things. Where as a person with alot of creativity (from ADHD) can come up with amazing ideas and never get any of them done in the real world. Some where in the middle is the people that really do the amazing things.



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23 Mar 2007, 10:56 am

When I was a kid, I had a hyper-rich imagination. I could spend hours making up details about a single object. The preschool I went to had its own private playground, where there was a gazebo. While most kid either ran around on the grass, climbed on the equipment, or built things in the sandbox, I sat by myself in the gazebo, doing what I called "playing house". I just talked to myself about the house I lived in, in extensive detail, down to the pattern on the lampshades and the material used for kitchen counters. I found this game to be very rich and satisfying, unlike the games most NT kids played. Now if this isn't imagination, I don't know what is.

At times, kids would enter the gazebo and ask me what I was doing. I, of course, would tell them: "playing house". Then they'd ask me if they could join, and when I said yes, they'd start introducing their own NT-based rules. Needless to say, that always pissed me off to no end. In all honesty, I couldn't care less about the social dynamics of playing house; I just liked imagining the design of the house. As I got older, however, I learned to incorporate NT rules into my games, which helped me get along better with other kids. Some of the nicer ones even let me be the architect, where I designed their house before they moved in.



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23 Mar 2007, 12:02 pm

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I'm NT, my boyfriend is AS. Throughout school teachers said he had no imagination...he couldn't express himself, especially through creative writing or exams. He did get better though, after meeting me...I'm a fiction writer and have come up with some pretty bizarre stuff that focusses on elaborating on and dressing up details.

Thing is, he's INSANELY creative. He's amazing. An incredible imagination. Give him a piece of paper and tell him to write a story, and he's stuck. Complete mind blank. Give him a few random objects and some wires and tools, and he'll create a proper, functioning device out of thin air. He's taken all the lights out of his car aside from the headlights and replaced them with LED systems...has taken out the bulbs from his car and completely rewired them with HIDs. He's then taken his spare HIDs and wired them into a hand-held torch which is now IMMENSELY powerful (for the purpose of spotlighting the bastards that were blinding us at a car club meet...mmm, revenge), and instead of running of batteries, runs off the cigarette lighter in his car. He's custom-wired my alarm in my car so it's pretty damn hard to break into...he's also fiddled with a lot of the mechanics in this car, including stopping the exterior key locks from working (some bastard broke into the car...it's the one in my avatar, so you can see why), reduced the sensitivity of the knock sensor to increase timing, removed the baffle on the idle valve to increase airflow...his own car has undergone far more work than mine too!

He's one of these people that just KNOWS things, or can dream up a solution based on his existing knowledge. He's never done a brake conversion or suspension upgrade...until he's converted BOTH of our cars from drums to discs, and STi struts. He just...dreamed up a way to do it effectively in his freggin' garage! :?

Basically...something needs fixing and he'll find a way, almost instantly. No training required. I put that down as imagination...when it comes to electronics and mechanical I'm a typical NT, have to learn by rote how things work and how to fix them or replace them. This boy? This is where he shines...I'm still in awe with the way he can create something from nothing, or fix a problem no one can find a solution for or in a way even Subaru themselves hadn't thought of... :lol:

In my realm of creativity, the typical NT consideration of creativity, he's lost. I paint, I draw, I write. I create images, scenes and characters with unlimited ease (in fact if you say a name and an age, I will create a character right there and then...anyone wanna try? XD), I roleplay (several characters at a time)...this is my area of expertise. I'm a designer by nature.

We come together at two interesting points...in cars, I know design and style inside out, whilst he excels in the interesting, unique mechanical work...together, we could create one MONSTER of a car. In design, I could create one hell of an interesting-looking website, whilst his code would again be unique, original, incredibly user-friendly and highly unusual. Switch realms and we'd have something that looks plain or boring, and with very little structure behind it :?

Zomg I actually have a point, too. :lol: They need to redefine what CREATIVITY and IMAGINATION is. Freak's sake...so many Aspies are VERY imaginative and creative, fantastic problem-solvers...just not in the same way as NTs!


I think it's interesting you make this comparison between you and your bf. I'd probably be closer to the imaginative side as you described yourself, and probably nothing like your bf. I'm a creator and an artist (in my case, I do writing and music). But I'm not a technical person. I could never fiddle with cars and electronic equipment in the way you say your bf can. Yet you say he can do these amazing things using his imagination. I think this shows how there can be different levels of creativity and imagination. It's like you say, what defines creativity and imagination? How can an aspie be compared with those definitions? Each aspie is no doubt going to be different, but you bring up a very valid point about the whole debate.

P.S. In terms of my imagination, I think it's just fine. Some of my fondest memories of primary school was running around with my friends pretending to be Power Rangers :lol:



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23 Mar 2007, 2:19 pm

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not a lack of creativity whatsoever but rather a lack of the abitility to imagine the outcome of a specific situation for example, which is also the reason why routines and rituals are often so important. Is that true?
thats sounds about right. now watch how many people who said they didnt have imaginations because then they wouldnt have As say they have imaginations
WOW, You REALLY make any fakers sound like they really have a plan! Such a reaction would be SAD. BESIDES, what would the point be?
steve you always want to start a fight with me and i dont know why. that reply wasnt even directed twords you, yet you took it personal. as seen in your lengthy reply
Sorry if I came across as if I was trying to start a fight.
well ok! 8)



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23 Mar 2007, 2:50 pm

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Huh, I've always been extremely imaginative. However my parents (Dad has AS, Mom has traits) completely lack imagination.


Lots of middle-aged men lack imagination. LOL! It's kind of natural to lose that kind of imagination when you're older. You have to look at their childhoods.


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23 Mar 2007, 2:58 pm

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I was told by someone that it meant that AS children could not do imaginative group (social) play, like when kids will play house or something. This would fit me... I was very imaginative as a child, playing alone, but I went blank if I had to play in a group.


I played "house" with my best friend. We grew up together being close in age and she lived 2 houses down from my grandmother. We would hang out in my grandmother's garage, which was full of old furniture and clothes, and pretend we lived there. But we didn't pretend to be anyone else. She didn't have any other friends either, and was uncoorindated, moer so than me. Hmmm.

I think the key thing is playing a "role" as in someone being mommy and somone being daddy. We didn't play that way. But we played outselves in other situations, like living in other times and places.


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23 Mar 2007, 3:14 pm

It sounds like Aspies have a seperate kind of imagination.


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23 Mar 2007, 5:07 pm

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I have always had a vivid imagination. I just never needed to share it. Most imaginative people can't fully live their imagination, I would suppose. I can, so I don't need to try to create a facsimily of it.


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23 Mar 2007, 5:16 pm

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As a kid I hated playing house. That make believe world of pretending that I am something I am not kind of urked me. I would prefer to play by myself with some construction kit like Meccano or Leggo something and let the rest of the kids play house like a bunch of dills.


yeah, I could never figure out the point in pretending to be someone else and playing with others that took it so seriously.
Now, I could sit for hours playing with my toy cars, animals, building bricks (anything constructive) and be perfectly content. When my sister/neighborhood kids played house, I would always choose to be the family dog. They thought I was really weird but it was my ticket to still be me because I didn't have to participate in their world of play. I was very creative but not imaginative with story lines and stuff like that.



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23 Mar 2007, 6:26 pm

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Look for example here -> www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=255&a=3341 (search for "imagination" on the page) or here -> http://www.aspergers.org/myths_about_as ... ndrome.htm


There goes my last "against" argument :roll:

Screw it, I don't care. I'm not getting into a self-diagnosis situation. I'll wait until Summer vacation and talk to someone about it. Thanks for the info.

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That's what I was thinking, but girls are very odd. They seem to blow up at the slightest provocation.

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yeah, I could never figure out the point in pretending to be someone else and playing with others that took it so seriously.


Personally, I always preferred to play "pretend" type games with objects. If I was eating an apple I'd pretend I was a giant alien eating a planet or something. Fun times :D

(Actually, I still do this sometimes)



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23 Mar 2007, 10:44 pm

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Huh, I've always been extremely imaginative. However my parents (Dad has AS, Mom has traits) completely lack imagination.


Lots of middle-aged men lack imagination. LOL! It's kind of natural to lose that kind of imagination when you're older. You have to look at their childhoods.


To be fair, she DID include her MOTHER also!! ! Women are SUPPOSED to have less atrophy of the corpus callosum after 12. Frankly, I have seen no evidence of that. Heck, in comparing the actions/opinions/etc... of various men and women, I have very sincere doubts that ANY of it is real over both genders.

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24 Mar 2007, 11:12 am

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Lots of middle-aged men lack imagination. LOL! It's kind of natural to lose that kind of imagination when you're older. You have to look at their childhoods.

That could be tricky ;)

But yeah I see what you mean, for me though my Mum for example has never liked fiction and has mostly read biographies. She's actually learned to appreciate fiction and fantasy (and Sci-Fi, I got her hooked on Doctor Who no less!) in recent years so for her it's the other way around really.



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24 Mar 2007, 11:17 am

I have always had a very high level of creativity and imagination. The problem has always been that it is too complex for most NT's to understand.


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24 Mar 2007, 11:19 am

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I played "house" with my best friend. We grew up together being close in age and she lived 2 houses down from my grandmother. We would hang out in my grandmother's garage, which was full of old furniture and clothes, and pretend we lived there.

I played dolls with a girl who was the daughter of my Mum's friend, but she soon declared I was "boring" because I just kept dressing and underssing the doll. And I got angry because she had the same doll as me but mine had the name that came on the label and she had dared to call hers something else.

I did go to an adventure playground for playgroup later on (ca. 8-12) and there were actually houses that older kids had built from scratch, multi-story houses no less, that was great fun, because in the books I was reading at the time there were detective groups who had hideaways like that. I also got a girl from class to play "fleeing from the Nazis" with me in those barracks (I was interested in the Holocaust and in nuclear weapons at the time, so we were always running away from the evil Nazis or nuclear explosions), and we did pretend that this other kid (who was always talking to his watch pretending to be Michael Knight) was the evil Nazi guard, because talking into your watch was a bit like talking to other guards on walkie-talkies.



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08 Apr 2007, 4:25 am

I have a limited imagination, as well I have limited creativity, mostly it is limited with things that I already have seen, but to create something new it is very difficult to me. Mostly when it comes to graphic design, I can use software but to create something out of nothing?



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08 Apr 2007, 4:49 am

Whenever I've read a book I always had trouble imagining things how they were described, and I can never imagine the outcome of something. But other than that I always thought I had quite an active imagination.
I had a lot of imaginary friends when I was a kid. And 2 imaginary worlds, one of which lasted until I was 16 :oops: