Autistic Blogger calls Temple Grandin ableist and classist
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These outspoken people taint the image of actual autists. We're not like those unpleasant weirdos!
What does this have to do with Temple Grandin or the blogger?
It has everything to do with the insane social justice rambling we see on a lot of blogs.
"This person discriminates so and so, the world owes me everything now because I self-diagnosed with autism, please accomodate."
These are the attitudes connected to neologisms like "sexist", "ableist", "ageist", "racist" and all this newspeak these incessant conflict-mongerers spew out non-stop. Fault finders, problem creators and people who want an eternal victim identity; professional victims.
Alarm bells went off full force when I encountered "problematic" in the blog. It's the latest trend now among SJWs. "Problematic". It doesn't actually address anything. It's just a nice pavlovian trigger to throw in for good measure.
I loathe what internet has done to associations to autism. If I tell someone I'm autistic IRL they are unlikely to take me seriously because their associations with the term "autistic" is tumblr blogs by social justice warriors who thought "autism" was a nice excuse to act inappropriately and blame it on something.
Same with the daily whine threads over here. It has nothing to do with autism. Pessimism and complacency is not exclusive to autistics.
These people will find a problem with anyone being autistic and speaking out. They are professional victims and when someone who is actually autistic represents themselves in a way that conflicts with their perception of autism as an edgy identity label, it becomes "problematic".
You're new and I hadn't noticed you yet. I think I'm gonna like you. Come to my Halloween costume PC horses**t thread in PPR and throw in a couple pennies.
Also, tell me about this chick who got PTSD from Twitter. That's a new one! It seems that everybody has to have it now. It's required and if you didn't ever go through something actually traumatic then anything upsetting will suffice. PTSD now seems to be to everyone between ten and 60 what the Frampton Comes Alive was to suburban teens in the late 70s - everybody had it, like it or not, and even if you never bought it or got it as a gift, there it was. It was just there because it was more pervasive and required for the times than quaaludes. Like it or not, you has it even if you didn't know how you got it.
Did somebody insult her on twitter or did she read a word she disliked that the PC stormtroopers haven't yet made illegal? I must hear these details.
Obligatory on topic content; I like Temple and agree with her. Even if you can't be flawless and charming and have politic perfection, you can learn to be a little better than you were before and need to be taught how to. I don't like the western shirts and think she could do with a bit of eye makeup but that's neither here nor there. I really LOVE what she has to say and think we need a ton more people like her out there instead of the coddle campaign.
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I love how Temple isn't PC. She speaks her mind and says things the way it is and she still uses the word mental retardation in her books. I know it's not a medical term anymore but she still uses it. But I think it's sad she still calls her childhood meltdowns as tantrums because that is what they were called when she was a kid and young adult. The term meltdown didn't exist then and I first heard it when I was 16. But yet she will use the term meltdown when she talks about autism but when she talks about her own and her childhood, she uses the word tantrum. Maybe she really did have tantrums than meltdowns but who knows.
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SJWs don't seem to understand that just because you disagree with someone it doesn't mean you have to attack everything "wrong" about them constantly. If everything anyone said had to be wrapped up in a PC bubble so not to offend the easily offended then nothing would ever get said. Anything could be offensive so therefore we can't ever communicate.
These types of people will just angrily watch videos and nitpick at things said and accuse the person of having hidden motives based on how a particular sentence was worded. And what's ridiculous is they're nitpicking someone with a communication disorder who is speaking literally about her experiences. SJWs never fail to amuse me in their ridiculous ways.
These types of people will just angrily watch videos and nitpick at things said and accuse the person of having hidden motives based on how a particular sentence was worded. And what's ridiculous is they're nitpicking someone with a communication disorder who is speaking literally about her experiences. SJWs never fail to amuse me in their ridiculous ways.
This is where I'm missing a like button.
Who are these people you are talking to? Correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that most people don't have an opinion about autism because they don't know anything about autism other than Rain Man - at best.
Today in New Zealand we are celebrating a public holiday of longstanding significance, as it commemorates the accomplishment of the socially progressive individuals who campaigned for a 40 hour working week (and no more) in the 19th century, making NZ the first country in the world to encode this into law. Other 19th century 'warriors' here dared to agitate against the patriarchal status quo of the time for women to have the vote; thus it was that New Zealand women were able to do this in the century before the last, again the first country to recognise that equality in law. These achievements and the people who achieved them - and later major social reforms - are honoured here. So it really surprises me that the references to American social justice activists on WP are so often simply nasty and pejorative; perhaps 'SJW' means something else in the land of the free?
I'm not American so I can't speak for them, but I'd like to say that here in Europe there is a certain type of person who is politically active, mixes only with people who have the same opinions as themselves, and often seems to have little contact with the people they are supposed to represent - and when they do, they hammer them for not having the correct opinions about their own lives. If you read The Guardian a lot you'll see endless nitpicking about the correct way to be feminist/anti-racist/name you -ism.
I'm always fascinated about the people who are loudly anti-racist and use any opportunity to cry on facebook about how so-and-so is so racist, yet when I look at their friend lists they have practically no friends of another nationality.
I have a lot of respect for people who travel around talking to people to find out what they need, who organize demonstrations and produce research based information material, so that people's lives may become easier.
I have less belief in blog writing and Twitter spats.
I'd say it is a particular sign of our times that socio-economic factors are discounted, and everything in life is turned into a question of character and ethics, and that this is worse in the US than anywhere else.
Welcome back Victoria, as Jesus Jones said.
I like Temple Grandin and her books gave me a place to start when i knew next to nothing about autism or how autistic brains are different from NT brains. (Then as i was reading about the autistic mind for the benefit of my son, I kept thinking, "so...the autistic brain is 'unusual' how? You mean the whole world doesn't think like this? 'Cuz i certainly have a lot in common with the 'autistic brain' too. Hmmm." But anyway...) I found a lot of practical helpful things i could use with all of my kids, although only one is diagnosed on the spectrum. The other 2 have a lot of the tendencies so reading T.G. helped us all.
That said, is she perfect or does everything she says apply to all of us? Of course not. She is human and makes mistakes too; and because autism is a spectrum disorder, not everything that applies to her applies to me and my family. However, that doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. She has done a lot of helpful things for autistic ppl and given some of us a place to start working on being successful, instead of sitting back wringing our hands because we realize that we or our child(ren) could be or definitely are autistic.
I think there was a lot of vague nitpicking in the blog entry without any concrete evidence to back it up. Also a lot of conjecture and maybe/probably taking what she said out of context or in a way she did not mean. I never took T.G.'s writings that way. I do remember statements about LFA's being tragic; but IMO, if the difficulties of some of those folks don't make you sad, you have bigger problems than any offense you may take at T.G.'s writings. Anyway, my 2 cents for what it's worth.
These outspoken people taint the image of actual autists. We're not like those unpleasant weirdos!
What does this have to do with Temple Grandin or the blogger?
It has everything to do with the insane social justice rambling we see on a lot of blogs.
"This person discriminates so and so, the world owes me everything now because I self-diagnosed with autism, please accomodate."
These are the attitudes connected to neologisms like "sexist", "ableist", "ageist", "racist" and all this newspeak these incessant conflict-mongerers spew out non-stop. Fault finders, problem creators and people who want an eternal victim identity; professional victims.
Alarm bells went off full force when I encountered "problematic" in the blog. It's the latest trend now among SJWs. "Problematic". It doesn't actually address anything. It's just a nice pavlovian trigger to throw in for good measure.
I loathe what internet has done to associations to autism. If I tell someone I'm autistic IRL they are unlikely to take me seriously because their associations with the term "autistic" is tumblr blogs by social justice warriors who thought "autism" was a nice excuse to act inappropriately and blame it on something.
Same with the daily whine threads over here. It has nothing to do with autism. Pessimism and complacency is not exclusive to autistics.
These people will find a problem with anyone being autistic and speaking out. They are professional victims and when someone who is actually autistic represents themselves in a way that conflicts with their perception of autism as an edgy identity label, it becomes "problematic".
You're new and I hadn't noticed you yet. I think I'm gonna like you. Come to my Halloween costume PC horses**t thread in PPR and throw in a couple pennies.
Also, tell me about this chick who got PTSD from Twitter. That's a new one! It seems that everybody has to have it now. It's required and if you didn't ever go through something actually traumatic then anything upsetting will suffice. PTSD now seems to be to everyone between ten and 60 what the Frampton Comes Alive was to suburban teens in the late 70s - everybody had it, like it or not, and even if you never bought it or got it as a gift, there it was. It was just there because it was more pervasive and required for the times than quaaludes. Like it or not, you has it even if you didn't know how you got it.
Did somebody insult her on twitter or did she read a word she disliked that the PC stormtroopers haven't yet made illegal? I must hear these details.
Obligatory on topic content; I like Temple and agree with her. Even if you can't be flawless and charming and have politic perfection, you can learn to be a little better than you were before and need to be taught how to. I don't like the western shirts and think she could do with a bit of eye makeup but that's neither here nor there. I really LOVE what she has to say and think we need a ton more people like her out there instead of the coddle campaign.
I try to make one comprehensive statement with enough information that I would not see it sufficient to follow up. Thread derailment happens when people just bicker back and forth with one sentence posts. This way, I can make a point I am happy with and set it up with enough information so that, hopefully, trolls can't go the intellectually dishonest route by cherry picking, misrepresenting or taking things out of context. It still happens though.
In regards to the twitter PTSD incidents, it caused an outrage among U.S war veterans, who actually have PTSD. You know, people who have seen their friends be blown to pieces, kids crawl out of buildings with both their legs missing - and here this woman claims she got PTSD because someone disagreed with her on the internet.
Here's one article on that story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... erans.html
Her imitation of the thousand yard/shell shock stare is just cringeworthy and adds insult to injury.
If you want to see just how deep the rabbit hole goes, Google "Adria Richards" and/or "Donglegate" to see the level of discourse.
Her imitation of the thousand yard/shell shock stare is just cringeworthy and adds insult to injury..
What a joke, LOL!
How the f**k would somebody tweet #PTSD the way she did and think that they weren't being ridiculous.
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Her imitation of the thousand yard/shell shock stare is just cringeworthy and adds insult to injury..
What a joke, LOL!
How the f**k would somebody tweet #PTSD the way she did and think that they weren't being ridiculous.
Wow...
I really don't like Twitter. I think it very much gives people "tunnel vision." Everything becomes about them. (Not for every single person, obviously.) I mean think about it...if you "tweet" 10 times a day and let people know every time you go take a whizz or have a hangnail, your word is going to get very small, very fast. Sort of has the opposite effect of the intended "reaching out" and makes people just...weird.
Again, that's just my view and I'm sure it doesn't apply to every single person, but it's the main reason I don't have a Twitter account. If I'm going to feel compelled to tweet every time the wind blows, I'm probably going to eventually get such tunnel vision that everything WILL bother me and I'll take it personally...so why go there?
Not knocking people who do use Twitter so I hope that POV doesn't offend.
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Yes though you would think she would be very much aware many of us have difficulties 'getting jobs' and also that 'getting a job' doesn't magically fix everything. I mean perhaps she has let some of her success go to her head if all of what this article says is true. She thinks we should be forced to become 'indistingishable from neurotypicals' and seems the great Grandin is a bit derogatory towards those on the lower end of the functioning spectrum. Kinda surprised with how much people say she's such a great spokesperson for autism and well IDK I thought she sounded like a kind person initially...sounds more like that surface kindness yuppies will express based on this article.
So either Temple Grandin isn't at all what I thought, or this author is making up a lot of stuff.
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Okay, it says she was actually diagnosed with PTSD and she was cyberstalked and bullied. It looks like to me her issues are being trivialized because someone had it worse. I think comments here are worse about it than hers. My little brother was traumatized from being locked in the dark bathroom as a time out and it took him years to over come it and there are people out there who have it worse than being locked in a small room with the door closed and to this day I still don't understand how being locked in the bathroom can cause trauma in the child because the same happened to me and I didn't get it. Maybe because I was five years old and knew what was going on and I knew how to turn on the light and my little brother wasn't even two yet so he didn't know what was going on and he didn't know how to turn on the light because babies are not that smart yet. But yet I hear it can still traumatize a child no matter how old they are so I guess I was just lucky I didn't get PTSD over enclosed rooms and tiny rooms nor did it make me afraid of the dark, my brother only got afraid of the dark. I don't think it invalidates her fears and feelings just because there are worse things out there than being trolled online.
My husband also has PTSD from his childhood and I didn't even know he had it until last summer when I said something to him and it brought back memories of other kids and when they would say that to him and it really hurt him. That still wouldn't invalidate his feelings and how it affected him to this day. Even a doctor had mentioned it to him a while back and he never said anything to me about it. How he handles it is blocking it all out and not talking about his feelings or sharing his past. Yes people call that PTSD even professionals so I am sorry if this is so insulting to war veterans and what about people who claim PTSD from bullying or rape? There are worse things out there like the war.
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These outspoken people taint the image of actual autists. We're not like those unpleasant weirdos!
I concluded I had AS before I got a diagnoses....and yes I somewhat based in on always seeming like an outsider/outcast who got picked on all the time at school as well as other things. But yeah a little ridiculous to assume someone wants 'special snowflake status' if they come to think they have aspergers and aren't popular....some just want understanding their experience.
Then again I don't go on tumbler but still I'd be cautious about telling people wether or not they have aspergers or just want to be special snow flakes over the internet since I don't know anything about them unless they actually say something that implies the latter. IDK for a while I was self diagnosed and had no way to see a professional...its not always refusal to see one there is a such thing as lack of resources to.
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