You would think....
But on the other hand, autists have a different way of thinking.
The "others" gives the idea that there is a separation between us, which is not true neither.
"normal" gives the idea that because we are different, we are inferior, not true.
I quite like the term "non-autistic" proposed above.
I'm pretty comfortable with "normal", but it can be problematic. It's still what I use in face-to-face conversations. I've increasingly been inclined to agree with "non-autistic" for the purposes of online discussions though and am considering using that term exclusively.
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I use it here for convenience, but I loathe it.
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Why loathe it?
In a world that has no good terms to denote "nonautistics" its the least loathsome term possible.
"Normal" doesnt work. A non autistic person could be a neurotic wierdo without being autistic. And many are!
"Allistic" doesnt mean anything. It sounds like the person is some kind of "jack of all trades" aptitude wise, which has nothing to do with whether you're autistic or not.
"Neurotypical" mean that your nerves are wired in the typical way. Its not particularly judgemental towards either autistics, nor non autistics. Its the least loathsome term for non autistics Ive run across. So I use it.
I'm guessing you don't like the idea of aspies being viewed as kooks. Like when there's a shooting and they make a point saying the killer had Aspergers. What bothers me about referring to non-autistics as loathsome, is I think it adds to a notion the autistic people have a major grudge against most of society. I think it just adds to a negative stereotype. 'Those rotten stinking NT's I hate them'.
Hmmm... Not sure if you,I, and Babybird, are all on the same page or not. I was talking about the term itself being 'loathsome'. Loathsome because its unasthetic, or misleading. Not necessarily that it makes the people you're labeling look "loathsome". Though if I considered a label to be derogatory to the folks so labelled then -yes- that would be a factor in me considering the label "loathsome" as well. But I dont think that calling NTs "NTs" is derogatory to NTs.
And people on WP use "NT" in sentences frequently because you have to call them something. And since a site like this is a safe place for ASD's to vent you're going to see folks say nasty things about "nts" here. But they would do the same if we decided to call NTs "babycakes",instead, or whatever. "Those damned babycakes wont cut me any slack!".
Sorry ether I read your other post completely wrong or I got posts confused or something. Sometimes I get uneasy when someone is venting/ranting about NT's, but like you say this is the place to do just that.
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But on the other hand, autists have a different way of thinking.
The "others" gives the idea that there is a separation between us, which is not true neither.
"normal" gives the idea that because we are different, we are inferior, not true.
I quite like the term "non-autistic" proposed above.
I agree with the above although I wish "neuromajority" or "neuromainstream" had caught on. To me "typical" is a negative term. It conjures up bland and boring which is how so many Autistics sterotype "neurotypicals" so I guess that is why it became the the term of choice.
Non-Autistics or allistic people include a lot of people certainly not "neuromajority" in any way such as down syndrome people which is not the type of person bieng described as "NT".
If I am correct Ezra is growing up in an environment where most of his peers are people with disabilities or autistic so there would be I assume less of a need for differentiation terminology. Many of the users here and the people who coined these terms grew up when their differences had no accurate term and where they where constantly punished for thier differences. The more acuurate recognition of what thier differences were, that these differences were not the result of charactor flaws, that this recogition came in the internet era when autistics could communicate with other autistics then the atmosphere in which "aspie" , the reappropreted "Autistic" and "NT" could became popular amoung many autistics.
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The only reason I use it here is because everyone else does, and because it's more convenient than typing out "normal people" all the time. And probably if I say normal people, someone will get offended and say "People with autism are normal, too!" and it will end up starting an argument.
I personally think of myself as weird or abnormal, and of NTs as normal. But a lot of people don't think that way about it. As far as I'm concerned, they are the regular people, and I'm the weirdo.
I personally think of myself as weird or abnormal, and of NTs as normal. But a lot of people don't think that way about it. As far as I'm concerned, they are the regular people, and I'm the weirdo.
Thats not really the issue. NTs maybe "normal" in the one trait of neurology, but they arent necessarily all "normal" in the general sense. Non autistic folks can still be wierdos, drunks, or criminals, or some other kind of deviant. So your "normal people" arent necessarily "normal". So some term other than "normal" is needed to label them. "Neurotypical" is a more accurate label.
Nope, not in my Autism camp or my personal group of autistic friends. We dont normally talk about life on the spectrum nor do we differ each other from NT's.. we talk about our interests and rarely lifes problems but never NT's.
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I didn't say I loathe the term "NT", I just said I'm not keen.
But then I'm not keen on the term "Aspie" either.
I think it's a labeling thing that I don't like and I'm really not keen on abbreviations either.
Also, most "NT's" probably don't even know what "NT" means unlike an ASD person would know exactly what he/she is.
I just feel that it's unjust to label people in secret with a secret name, in code, that they don't even know what it means themselves.
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But then I'm not keen on the term "Aspie" either.
For me its the opposite, the term NT is meh but the term Aspie is f*****g cringy to me...
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