Why is there so much drama on these forums?

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11 Feb 2016, 11:31 pm

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The movie director Mike Nichols ("Star Trek") once said, "Two people sitting in a room agreeing is boring."

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Without drama, life would be pretty boring.

I disagree with you there (oh no, does that count as drama?! :wink: )
Maybe it's true in movies, but I don't believe it's true in real life, at least in my experience of it.
You could go out and have a good time, do something new and fun, engage in an interest and maybe find someone else to interact with about that interest, you could learn something amazing, discover a new talent, go on a journey or a holiday - none of this requires drama or conflict, and none of it is "boring."
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I would prefer a world in which people treat each other with kindness, civility, and respect.

You and me both. I'd tack understanding onto that, too. Kindness and respect does not necessarily equal dull. Personally I don't enjoy conflict or drama or find it interesting. It causes feelings and I don't like that. Usually when drama or conflict arises I am trying to resolve, not add, to it.
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Disagreement and argument are fine in my view.

You keep advocating that but I have only ever seen you respond respectfully and without trying to inflame or perpetuate conflict.
OSovereign - I'd advise you to stick around. You have just come onto the boards in a silly drama-crazy phase. Soon it should go back to being about questions / answers and some good discussions.


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12 Feb 2016, 3:42 am

I don't have a lot of conflict in my everyday life, no drama there, so some conflict on a forum can be sort of stimulating. Also, when I have to do things I don't like to do like write something long, I like some drama to go along with it. When I am not forced to do things I don't like to do, I don't feel a desire for drama. I prefer to be more zen then.


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12 Feb 2016, 4:32 am

I hate drama. I don't mind disagreement, but I despise hostility. I don't even want to bother having a discussion with someone who is being hostile. I like logical discussions, without subtle or obvious insults, sarcasm, mockery or the like.

If someone needs to resort to those things, I feel like there is no possibility to have a rational discussion at that point.

Human misery only makes me miserable, too.



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I hate drama. I don't mind disagreement, but I despise hostility. I don't even want to bother having a discussion with someone who is being hostile. I like logical discussions, without subtle or obvious insults, sarcasm, mockery or the like.

If someone needs to resort to those things, I feel like there is no possibility to have a rational discussion at that point.

Human misery only makes me miserable, too.

Marry me :wink:


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12 Feb 2016, 7:37 am

I hate the drama associated with overly-sensitive people who see insult and mockery directed specifically at them in every generalized statement.



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12 Feb 2016, 7:45 am

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I hate the drama associated with overly-sensitive people who see insult and mockery directed specifically at them in every generalized statement.

I'm with you there, Fnord.


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12 Feb 2016, 8:09 am

I haven't seen "so much drama" round here. Maybe I've been looking at the wrong threads? Point taken though, we're supposed to be a mutual support group, so let's get on with the job.



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12 Feb 2016, 8:20 am

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I don't get it. I thought forums like these were designed to genuinely help everyone diagnosed with something like aspergers, pdd-nos, or other forms of autism. Most of you guys just seem to want to piss eachother off. If I wanted to join a forum for pissing other people off i'd go join a gaming forum (oh wait, i'm already a part of one of those and it is pure cancer). I came here looking for advice and help, but i'm not gonna sit here and make fun of other people diagnosed with asperger's for "not having all the symptoms" or whatever you guys say. There's certain things about asperger's which, while you can try your hardest to be proud of, are life-inhibiting traits that cause so much more harm than good. Everyone here should seek to help one another, but there just seems to be so much drama for no reason...


You're grouping together a bunch of people with social issues (that's not intended to be demeaning) and giving them a soapbox with anonymity to say whatever they feel. There will always be issues. There will always be toxic members and people seeking to feel superior to others. It isn't even true for just autism, the internet is narcissistic in general - as you know from these gaming forums. That's just what people do online, dude. Everywhere you go, I can't go on facebook without a raging political fight.

There's good help and good insight to be found on this forum, you just have to learn to turn a blind eye to toxic posts and areas of the forum sometimes. A lot of us you'll find actually do want to uplift and support those on the spectrum and give them a better understanding.

As far as shaming other's asperger's traits.. it's common when someone asks for a friend. It is incredibly frustrating for a member to come in, list everything they dislike about their friend/significant other/etc and ask if they have asperger's because they're such a horrible person. It's going to continue to be common. Even outside that stereotype, it isn't exactly easy to really gage it in a few paragraphs read online when it takes a psychologist months of constant observation and peer interviews to decide if someone fits the criteria.


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12 Feb 2016, 5:49 pm

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I came here looking for advice and help, but i'm not gonna sit here and make fun of other people diagnosed with asperger's for "not having all the symptoms" or whatever you guys say.



Absolutely. This is a genetic family forum, although balanced in some views, is fairly biased in its rituals.
You’ll learn the dress code soon enough before you can say Greenwich meantime.
I can read through the disguised sentiment that people here are ‘family friendly’, as not all are.
As soon as anyone has posted anything, it can be judged (inevitably) by groups or whoever’s trying to push a few buttons off their own load.
If this place was chartered more around the subject base, and not just from a modest group perspective, helping individual responses, then more would feel like they matter more than those who have established themselves here through dry salts and tank wounds over the years.

I’m not sure if there was an addictions thread here for gaming addicts, but I guess it would be useful if there were.
Give the gamers more room to think up their own settings within a marginalised forum.
Remember the old cliché, advice can be sold, not bought.



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12 Feb 2016, 5:57 pm

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Remember the old cliché, advice can be sold, not bought.
What does that mean? It makes no sense to me.....sorry....

I treid to search but all I got was insurance sales info and selling a house info.


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12 Feb 2016, 6:05 pm

C2V wrote:
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I hate drama. I don't mind disagreement, but I despise hostility. I don't even want to bother having a discussion with someone who is being hostile. I like logical discussions, without subtle or obvious insults, sarcasm, mockery or the like.

If someone needs to resort to those things, I feel like there is no possibility to have a rational discussion at that point.

Human misery only makes me miserable, too.

Marry me :wink:


Lol :D



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12 Feb 2016, 7:32 pm

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I don't get it. I thought forums like these were designed to genuinely help everyone diagnosed with something like aspergers, pdd-nos, or other forms of autism. Most of you guys just seem to want to piss eachother off. If I wanted to join a forum for pissing other people off i'd go join a gaming forum (oh wait, i'm already a part of one of those and it is pure cancer). I came here looking for advice and help, but i'm not gonna sit here and make fun of other people diagnosed with asperger's for "not having all the symptoms" or whatever you guys say. There's certain things about asperger's which, while you can try your hardest to be proud of, are life-inhibiting traits that cause so much more harm than good. Everyone here should seek to help one another, but there just seems to be so much drama for no reason...


I hear you. People do try to be helpful here a lot of the time, and compared to other forums I've been on this one has a lot less drama. But every so often a touchy subject will flare up here and you've seen the result.

Lots of people come here seeking support, probably feeling a lack of it in real life, but not everyone has the same pressures to deal with. People here have vastly different challenges and life experiences...so people may want to be helpful or at least they don't have an intent to hurt anyone. But person A can't understand what person B has experienced, person C can't understand why person B gets upset that person A doesn't understand, and so on. It goes off like a chain reaction.

Add to that, not many people in general really know how to be genuinely supportive...they may want to be helpful and do their best, but they end up saying things that are really not helpful at all. People either don't understand what the other person needs, or else just can't articulate themselves very well in words to offer it.

Support is always a really touchy subject because seeking it makes us vulnerable. It's an emotional risk because it means opening up and share something that might be very sensitive to begin with, and it means putting some amount of trust in people to handle it sensitively and be empathetic. And then if others don't understand, and respond in a way that is not helpful, it is disappointing and it may trigger even deeper feelings of vulnerability, abandonment, anger and so on. Likewise the person who misspoke may feel very vulnerable too, and may feel like they are being attacked.

So what I'm saying is, the reason we have drama here is primarily BECAUSE this forum is intended to be a supportive community. The lack of support in the outside world, the pressures people face, and the lack of empathy expressed for people who face different kinds of challenges are what make this place volatile.

Also keep in mind not everyone here agrees with the purpose of this forum. Some do not have any intention of being helpful or supportive at all.



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12 Feb 2016, 7:48 pm

We need drama to spice things up.


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13 Feb 2016, 5:11 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
We need drama to spice things up.


Hey, atleast its not about early access games haha

edit - everytime i see the word drama i think of this song

https://youtu.be/DI3yXg-sX5c


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13 Feb 2016, 5:13 am

zkydz wrote:
Empathy wrote:
Remember the old cliché, advice can be sold, not bought.
What does that mean? It makes no sense to me.....sorry....

I treid to search but all I got was insurance sales info and selling a house info.


Google often fails to provide the correct information, ive wondered lately if someday it will be superseded.


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oSovereign wrote:
I don't get it. I thought forums like these were designed to genuinely help everyone diagnosed with something like aspergers, pdd-nos, or other forms of autism. Most of you guys just seem to want to piss eachother off. If I wanted to join a forum for pissing other people off i'd go join a gaming forum (oh wait, i'm already a part of one of those and it is pure cancer). I came here looking for advice and help, but i'm not gonna sit here and make fun of other people diagnosed with asperger's for "not having all the symptoms" or whatever you guys say. There's certain things about asperger's which, while you can try your hardest to be proud of, are life-inhibiting traits that cause so much more harm than good. Everyone here should seek to help one another, but there just seems to be so much drama for no reason...


I hear you. People do try to be helpful here a lot of the time, and compared to other forums I've been on this one has a lot less drama. But every so often a touchy subject will flare up here and you've seen the result.

Lots of people come here seeking support, probably feeling a lack of it in real life, but not everyone has the same pressures to deal with. People here have vastly different challenges and life experiences...so people may want to be helpful or at least they don't have an intent to hurt anyone. But person A can't understand what person B has experienced, person C can't understand why person B gets upset that person A doesn't understand, and so on. It goes off like a chain reaction.

Add to that, not many people in general really know how to be genuinely supportive...they may want to be helpful and do their best, but they end up saying things that are really not helpful at all. People either don't understand what the other person needs, or else just can't articulate themselves very well in words to offer it.

Support is always a really touchy subject because seeking it makes us vulnerable. It's an emotional risk because it means opening up and share something that might be very sensitive to begin with, and it means putting some amount of trust in people to handle it sensitively and be empathetic. And then if others don't understand, and respond in a way that is not helpful, it is disappointing and it may trigger even deeper feelings of vulnerability, abandonment, anger and so on. Likewise the person who misspoke may feel very vulnerable too, and may feel like they are being attacked.

So what I'm saying is, the reason we have drama here is primarily BECAUSE this forum is intended to be a supportive community. The lack of support in the outside world, the pressures people face, and the lack of empathy expressed for people who face different kinds of challenges are what make this place volatile.

Also keep in mind not everyone here agrees with the purpose of this forum. Some do not have any intention of being helpful or supportive at all.


Yeah that's what the forum is for, everyone's circumstances are different. I personally am just glad that Wrongplanet exists.


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