What else is there thatcould give me symptoms of Asperger's?

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26 Apr 2007, 1:48 pm

I can help you with diagnosis: if you want to be diagnosed aspie, answer that you are a misanthrope that have nosocial interest at all, and try to seem really weird. If you want to be diagnosed not aspie, put not emphasis at your answers( don't answer never, nor allways), and show you are social and not weird, anyway, this won't let you free from the weight of the other letters that specialists will through over you if you ask them for it going there for a diagnosis.


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26 Apr 2007, 2:38 pm

Pfffft. Not all aspies are misanthropes. I have no ill will toward anyone.


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26 Apr 2007, 2:43 pm

why would you want to skew the diagnosis?



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26 Apr 2007, 2:44 pm

DingoDv wrote:
Thanks SeriousGIrl, but I didn't make myslef clear, but I actually got that one - I meant
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He gives an example of a teenage student correcting a teacher in class.



If you correct your teacher, it will cause her to have a state of mind such as embarassed and furious. You should be able to predict this and not correct the teacher even if she is wrong.


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26 Apr 2007, 2:44 pm

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Pfffft. Not all aspies are misanthropes. I have no ill will toward anyone.


Well, if we are misanthropes is another story, but if you say you are one during a diagnosis you will be diagnosed!


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26 Apr 2007, 2:46 pm

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Well, if we are misanthropes is another story, but if you say you are one during a diagnosis you will be diagnosed!


More likely to get diagnosed as having schizoid personality disorder rather than AS here.


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26 Apr 2007, 2:59 pm

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why would you want to skew the diagnosis?


I wouldn't like to be diagnosed because I believe this fact would turn me a target, I would be considered the guy with mental problems neanwhile I am only aspie.

Don't you feel a kind of "oh, poor me, I'm have that problem" in this site? Why? because we are aspies? Are we poor aspies? I am not a poor aspie, I am aspie! I don't suffer from it, I am aspie!

I won't be diagnosed aspie, it is not an illness, well, we must get a chance for those who had previously been diagnosed to be free of this weight, if they want!


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26 Apr 2007, 3:02 pm

I also feel that I might be an aspie. However back in the 80's, when I was a preschooler, the neurologist said that it might be Tourette Syndrome. But I think that Asperger Syndrome seems more accurate to me, from what I've read about both. I have had chronic vocal tic disorder however, since I turned twenty. So I'd have to say that if you don't have A.S. you may have Tourette Syndrome. I know that O.C.D. is in the same diagnostic spectrum as T.S., and often times is a comorbid of it.



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26 Apr 2007, 3:03 pm

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Well, if we are misanthropes is another story, but if you say you are one during a diagnosis you will be diagnosed!


More likely to get diagnosed as having schizoid personality disorder rather than AS here.


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This makes me sad. And also you distorted my argument above, I didn't say aspies are misanthrope :(


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26 Apr 2007, 3:17 pm

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This makes me sad. And also you distorted my argument above, I didn't say aspies are misanthrope :(


Sorry if I made you sad, but there are some parts of being an aspie I very much like. Many adults get diagnosed for their own peace of mind and don't necessarily tell anyone. It just helps you understand yourself better.

All the negativity about AS sometimes makes me sad. :(


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26 Apr 2007, 3:36 pm

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Many adults get diagnosed for their own peace of mind and don't necessarily tell anyone. It just helps you understand yourself better.
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Of course knowing that you are an aspie is good to our peace of mind, but we can notice, better than any other, if weare aspies or not, at this respect oficial diagnosis is of no utility, much more probable that a specialist mistakes about it than ourselves.

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This makes me sad. And also you distorted my argument above, I didn't say aspies are misanthrope :(


All the negativity about AS sometimes makes me sad. :(


Read my post again and notice I wrote nothing about aspie people, what I wrote was about DIAGNOSIS. Obviously I didn't wrote aspies are misanthrope, but that diagosis pressuposes misanthropy is an aspie characteristic, and you distorted it.

And, please SeriousGirl, don't through absurd "diagnosis" over other people, your psycological knowledge is now enough to came coupled to aethical ponderations.


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26 Apr 2007, 3:50 pm

I read your post. And I made the point that I perceive my label in a positive way.

It is the negative attitude that causes people to kick you, not the label. I also read your "Kick me" post, and I disagree.

I don't care what kind of "disorder" you have, if you function like a superating boil, you are going to get picked on!


Discovery criteria for aspie by Attwood and Gray

A qualitative advantage in social interaction, as manifested by a majority of the following:


peer relationships characterized by absolute loyalty and impeccable dependability

free of sexist, "age-ist", or culturalist biases; ability to regard others at "face value"

speaking one’s mind irrespective of social context or adherence to personal beliefs

ability to pursue personal theory or perspective despite conflicting evidence

seeking an audience or friends capable of: enthusiasm for unique interests and topics;

consideration of details; spending time discussing a topic that may not be of primary interest

listening without continual judgement or assumption

interested primarily in significant contributions to conversation; preferring to avoid "ritualistic small talk" or socially trivial statements and superficial conversation


seeking sincere, positive, genuine friends with an unassuming sense of humor

Fluent in "Aspergerese", a social language characterized by at least three of the following:


a determination to seek the truth

conversation free of hidden meaning or agenda

advanced vocabulary and interest in words

fascination with word-based humor, such as puns

advanced use of pictorial metaphor

Cognitive skills characterized by at least four of the following:


strong preference for detail over gestalt

original, often unique perspective in problem solving

exceptional memory and/or recall of details often forgotten or disregarded by others, for example: names, dates, schedules, routines

avid perseverance in gathering and cataloging information on a topic of interest

persistence of thought

encyclopedic or "CD ROM" knowledge of one or more topics

knowledge of routines and a focused desire to maintain order and accuracy

clarity of values/decision making unaltered by political or financial factors

Additional possible features:


acute sensitivity to specific sensory experiences and stimuli, for example: hearing, touch, vision, and/or smell

strength in individual sports and games, particularly those involving endurance or visual accuracy, including rowing, swimming, bowling, chess

"social unsung hero" with trusting optimism: frequent victim of social weaknesses of others, while steadfast in the belief of the possibility of genuine friendship

increased probability over general population of attending university after high school


(5) often take care of others outside the range of typical development


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26 Apr 2007, 4:28 pm

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I read your post. And I made the point that I perceive my label in a positive way.

It is the negative attitude that causes people to kick you, not the label. I also read your "Kick me" post, and I disagree.

I don't care what kind of "disorder" you have, if you function like a superating boil, you are going to get picked on!



Well, my post still keeps up there describing diagnosis, not people.

I think not only the negative attitude causes people to kick you, but also the label.

My "shot me" post propose a mind experiment, and suggests some questions... well,... let us consider there is a conclusion sub- intended in all those questions but, of course, that is another story...

but, girl, please... again disorder??? and , a boil , girl???

and after all you presented me a descripition that suits me as incredibly as embarasses me :oops: as it vanitys me much more than I deserve (although my memory is not good)

But, SeriousGirl, after describing us all in such words, mustn't we be shy about our recent words?


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26 Apr 2007, 5:20 pm

Neuro, I have 2 child aspies, teens now. The girl aspie had her label hidden at her request. She was picked on more than than the boy aspie who had a known label. That was because she was so upset about things and he was laid back and not caring about it.

In my particular culture, the label doesn't cause the problems. It is the lack of self-esteem that NTs pick up on. If the label dimishes your self-esttem, well that could be negative. Not knowing why you are different is not good either.


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26 Apr 2007, 5:45 pm

SeriousGirl wrote:
Neuro, I have 2 child aspies, teens now. The girl aspie had her label hidden at her request. She was picked on more than than the boy aspie who had a known label. That was because she was so upset about things and he was laid back and not caring about it.

In my particular culture, the label doesn't cause the problems. It is the lack of self-esteem that NTs pick up on. If the label dimishes your self-esttem, well that could be negative. Not knowing why you are different is not good either.


Also, it may help people to tolerate Aspie "quirks" better if they understand why the person is doing it. I wonder if this one friend I had might have not gotten so frustrated with me for not "magically understanding" why she was upset and what I was doing wrong, if she had known I had NLD (I hadn't been diagnosed yet), and that I honestly couldn't do anything other than ask her directly about it, which she hated.



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26 Apr 2007, 6:56 pm

SeriousGirl wrote:
That was because she was so upset about things and he was laid back and not caring about it. .

Girl, it is very difficult to be absolutely right about real causes of things.

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In my particular culture, the label doesn't cause the problems. It is the lack of self-esteem that NTs pick up on. If the label dimishes your self-esttem, well that could be negative. Not knowing why you are different is not good either.


What I say is that I can label myself or not, but won't permit a specialist labels me, specially if he will label me with an inexistent illness_ I am aspie, I don't suffer from it!! !
and, of course, it is good to me to know I am aspie, but the medical diagnosis won't change my believe!

and, notice the following; read again that aspie description you posted above, why should anyone depictured in that would suffer from aspergers??? why shoud he be diagnosed ? What illness justifies it?


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