It's a pity my art career never took off

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midas_touch
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27 Dec 2016, 10:33 am

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why does obabo have a massive bruise?


That was an error. I spilled paint.

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Honestly as long as you enjoy it that's all that matters, I enjoy all the other skills I have when I'm in the mood for them and I always am up to something creative. If you want to get better at drawing there are sooo many tutorials and things around the Internet. For me personally I just observed other peoples work a lot and learned from them how they did it, those speed painting videos were a god send for me.


You should share one or two of your artworks on here!



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27 Dec 2016, 2:39 pm

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why does obabo have a massive bruise?


That was an error. I spilled paint.


i think it looks fine, it matches his true skin tone quite well. :P

you could argue it is symbolic of his brutal 8 years in office...


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27 Dec 2016, 3:38 pm

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Jo B1, I love your abstract paintings!


Thanks! :)


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27 Dec 2016, 4:25 pm

here's some of my work, if anyone cares.

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28 Dec 2016, 11:53 am

Kiprobalhato: Haha, you could say Obama has a black eye delivered to him by the gerrymandering Republicans.

I like the imagination put into your pictures. That airship/flying machine (I think that's what it is) looks magical.



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28 Dec 2016, 5:18 pm

midas_touch wrote:
You should share one or two of your artworks on here!


I don't really have anything too recent but I did try to draw traditionally rather than on a gfx tablet earlier for about 15 mins, I probs should try to progress a bit more traditionally. I rely too much on the little tricks of a gfx tablet which you can't do free hand. Obvs if I spent more time/effort I could make this into a proper thing but I'm too lazy, just wanna chill and play black desert online for now.

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The only recent web gfx I've done was a new tumblr banner.

http://xlunella.tumblr.com/
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29 Dec 2016, 2:36 am

midas_touch wrote:
I like the imagination put into your pictures. That airship/flying machine (I think that's what it is) looks magical.


thanks! :cat: when i pull it off, my buildings and structures satisfy me very much.

it's a floating palace thing (left) clamped to a massive spiraling hallway (right).


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29 Dec 2016, 11:11 am

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Hi Lunella,

Hey, you're a graphics designer? :D

I'm a technical writer, and let me tell you, we technical writers really admire graphics designers.

In the States at least, you wouldn't believe the number of times I've interviewed for a technical writing job and they ask if I can do the graphics. I always have to be honest and say, "Not from scratch, I always depend on the graphics guys to create them, and then I can tweak them or edit them."

I think it's possible to make money at it, it's only a matter of finding a company that values your skills. It could be that the employment picture is different where you live.

My artwork consists of fine art (photography and painting) ... If I could do graphic arts too ... I think it would really broaden my horizons.

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I really think you should look into it in this case, the more skills you have the more you are an asset to a media company basically. I can do photography, modelling touch ups, graphic design, 3D modelling, 3D texturing, painting, drawing, even sewing randomly came in handy a couple of times.
The more skills you have to support something the more valuable you'd be to a company because they wouldn't have to pay ridiculous fees for some other company to come in and do it when one of their own could just do it for a pay bonus. Not only that but the more skills you have the more people want you for other bits of freelance work on the side. It's definitely come in handy a bunch of times but for me it didn't sustain the amount of money I actually need but I figure you need to want to do that and be into it anyway. You should go for it if you think you have the patience to learn new things and stick at it until you've gotten somewhere reasonable.

I actually started out as a dev on IMVU back when IMVU first started out and I learned through that and other people on that site. It was a hobby which turned into a bunch of really useful skills.

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I've considered tattooing as the money is really good. Some local tattooists make £75-100 an hour. I'm not keen being around people so that's not going to happen. :0/


You need to keep in mind, most places only employ 1 apprentice out of like 200 people queuing for that same position and you don't even start tattooing for a long time as you have to go through a lot of training before they let you permanently mark someones skin.

You have to be good enough to earn that kind of money - I've got friends who are on £700 a day and have tattoo'd celebrities but they only got there through serious hard work and practice. It's bloody hard work and not for the feint of heart. You need to actually have the patience to stick with it when it comes to tattooing, I mean it's definitely doable but you have to be like amazing at drawing for anywhere to even give you a chance because you're so easily replaceable in that industry as it's so competitive and so many people want to do it.

I mean, I have friends who got totally fed up trying to get employed somewhere and ended up just working some sh***y subway job and lived at their parents for a few years until they opened their own tattoo parlour and rented chairs out to tattooists while they also trained him up eventhough he was the boss at the same time lol. It's always possible but you need to decide how much you actually want to do it.

But yeah if you have a people problem then tattooing won't be for you - you have to work with the general public, even sometimes chavs and old people.

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Lunella: Competitiveness is a big issue these days. What a world! As you say especially in the creative industries there are so many people taking up what is quite a small market really.

That's why I imagine I won't pursue art. I personally just don't have the motivation for it. Some people are more driven. I don't think it's my fate. At least I got some pleasure out of doing some paintings.


Honestly as long as you enjoy it that's all that matters, I enjoy all the other skills I have when I'm in the mood for them and I always am up to something creative. If you want to get better at drawing there are sooo many tutorials and things around the Internet. For me personally I just observed other peoples work a lot and learned from them how they did it, those speed painting videos were a god send for me.

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Competitiveness is EVERYWHERE these days. Not just in art. It's if you go for any kind of decent job at all. Or even temporary positions. More and more people looking for fewer and fewer jobs. So whatever I do, I just have to give it my best shot.

Thing is, my main motivation to create art is not the money, even though I do sell. I'm an artist because I felt called to be one.

Art for pleasure is its own reward, too. I like how you can do renderings of famous people. :)


I agree, everything is competitive in this day and age. It's more so in creative industries though because everyone wants to be some cool artist or musician or whatever.

The way I see it is, if you want money - go and sell things or get a job that's more logical mathematical minded. If you just want to be creative and earn a bit of money then jump into the creative work force world. It won't make you rich (unless you're like incredibly amazingly mad talented at it after years of practice) but it'll make you happy - it'll make you rags to moderate rags and lots of art supplies you don't ever use because they're so nice to look at. :wink:
A friend owns a tattoo parlour. He offered to buy me the kitt to get me started and offered a job(shadow/learn from main tattooist till I got used to it) Image Image Image



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29 Dec 2016, 11:32 am

^ That's good that you can do life drawing cause it's what they look for but they'll just tell you to do more tattoo kind of art, like art that looks like a tattoo for a portfolio. You also are gonna have to focus on drawing a bunch of different stuff rather than just life drawing cause you'll get people asking for all kinds of things. Good luck with it if you are gonna go for tattooing though, just stick at it no matter how hard it gets.


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29 Dec 2016, 1:06 pm

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^ That's good that you can do life drawing cause it's what they look for but they'll just tell you to do more tattoo kind of art, like art that looks like a tattoo for a portfolio. You also are gonna have to focus on drawing a bunch of different stuff rather than just life drawing cause you'll get people asking for all kinds of things. Good luck with it if you are gonna go for tattooing though, just stick at it no matter how hard it gets.

I think this answers midas touches question/answeralso, as in , Doing what you enjoy is the most important thing when it comes to art. If something happens along the way then that's a bonus,but art to me is much more than selling it(if I ever became a business)I wouldn't enjoy the other facets of tattooing in the same I only enjoy doing certain kinds of art. When I've tried to paint what I think other people may like or for other reasons other than it being therapeutic/enjoyment, it's always gone wrong. So in answer to the OP's initial post. Do what you love regardless of outcome :)



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30 Dec 2016, 3:00 am

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When I've tried to paint what I think other people may like or for other reasons other than it being therapeutic/enjoyment, it's always gone wrong.


yeah. it's grating when you're the only artist in both sides your family and they ask you do "draw their kids" or something similar.

there's no interest or reason there, there has to be interest and purpose if you're going to make something decent. it's one of the reasons my oeuvre exploded in size and diversity the moment i graduated my high school art program.

that...and i can't draw from life very well.

they'd probably end up looking like tarsiers.


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30 Dec 2016, 5:06 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
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When I've tried to paint what I think other people may like or for other reasons other than it being therapeutic/enjoyment, it's always gone wrong.


yeah. it's grating when you're the only artist in both sides your family and they ask you do "draw their kids" or something similar.

there's no interest or reason there, there has to be interest and purpose if you're going to make something decent. it's one of the reasons my oeuvre exploded in size and diversity the moment i graduated my high school art program.

that...and i can't draw from life very well.

they'd probably end up looking like tarsiers.
I'm glad it's not just me then. :) :0D



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30 Dec 2016, 12:41 pm

The purpose of art isn't to make money from it.



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30 Dec 2016, 1:41 pm

People rent space in galleries and in marketplaces. Not all the work is done by one artist or crafter. They don't take full, legal, and financial responsibility, but share it.

They might fixate on one or two aspects of their paintings, and that becomes their signature style. Maybe, someone likes the parts, that make you feel insecure. Sometimes it is quirky, and that's ok.

You might have to play the part of salesman, in person, or can leave a written description of your methods and inspirations. Being neurodiverse is probably a selling point. Saying that you are from a certain age group, heritage, or career field, is being descriptive and can make it more interesting, as in a punchy auto-biography. Your situation can be a help and not a hindrance.



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30 Dec 2016, 2:05 pm

TheAvenger161173 wrote:
I've considered tattooing as the money is really good. Some local tattooists make £75-100 an hour. I'm not keen being around people so that's not going to happen. :0/

Jesus.

You cross a point where you can be making money doing what you do. Period. This work is WELL OVER that line. You could make serious money in several different silos.

That Darrell is breaking my brain... you did that for fun? Brilliant.



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30 Dec 2016, 3:58 pm

TheAvenger161173 wrote:
I've considered tattooing as the money is really good. Some local tattooists make £75-100 an hour. I'm not keen being around people so that's not going to happen. :0/



OhkaBaka wrote:
Jesus.

You cross a point where you can be making money doing what you do. Period. This work is WELL OVER that line. You could make serious money in several different silos.

That Darrell is breaking my brain... you did that for fun? Brilliant.


:idea: If only there was a detailed, permanent transfer, like for a T-shirt, but without the hot iron.