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Is it possible to be autistic with no social problems?
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I don't know 16%  16%  [ 5 ]
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Stampy is so stupid!! ! 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
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25 Aug 2017, 9:03 pm

What about in a hypothetical situation? I know it isn't probable in real life, but just think about it. Does the diagnostic criteria exclude it?


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25 Aug 2017, 9:15 pm

Some of the "features" of the DSM-V notion of autism might not directly allude to social deficits.

But most of the "features" invariably lead to social problems---by virtue of peoples' reactions to these "features," as well as social problems which emanate directly from those "features."



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25 Aug 2017, 9:25 pm

True, I guess. What sort of features do you mean :D ?


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25 Aug 2017, 9:32 pm

Basically: all the features can give an intolerant outside person the impression that the person with autism is "weird," and hence not worthy of his/her social time. Some of the features also actively deter an autistic person from socializing.

It adds up, basically, to a person who has a desire to be alone....and who might very well deter others from wanting to hang out with them. Sort of a double-edged sword, really.

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Resistance to change to the point of meltdown or shutdown

The desire to research "parts of objects."

The relative lack of ability to see the "whole" based upon "putting the parts" together.

Being a "little professor."

Social withdrawal in general

Echolalia

Odd gait

The inability to regulate one's voice

Please remember that at least some people can look past a lot of this stuff, and do want to hang out with autistic people for many reasons.



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25 Aug 2017, 9:42 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Basically: all the features can give an intolerant outside person the impression that the person with autism is "weird," and hence not worthy of his/her social time. Some of the features also actively deter an autistic person from socializing.

It adds up, basically, to a person who has a desire to be alone....and who might very well deter others from wanting to hang out with them. Sort of a double-edged sword, really.

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Resistance to change to the point of meltdown or shutdown Yes

The desire to research "parts of objects." No

The relative lack of ability to see the "whole" based upon "putting the parts" together. Not sure

Being a "little professor." In certain areas

Social withdrawal in general Yes, but I try not to be

Echolalia Yes

Odd gait No

The inability to regulate one's voice Depends on the situation


Ooo a list! I'll see if I fit it! That's always fun! :D

I get what you mean now. Even some behaviors that aren't really related to social problems (like having an odd gait) can turn people away from the autistic person.


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25 Aug 2017, 9:53 pm

Alright, who voted Stampy is so stupid :lol: ?


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25 Aug 2017, 10:32 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Basically: all the features can give an intolerant outside person the impression that the person with autism is "weird," and hence not worthy of his/her social time. Some of the features also actively deter an autistic person from socializing.

It adds up, basically, to a person who has a desire to be alone....and who might very well deter others from wanting to hang out with them. Sort of a double-edged sword, really.


That makes me sad to read, Kraftie. :( Most of the time I think of me being autistic just makes it difficult for me to approach and talk to people while pretending to be normal and at the same time madly analyzing every nuance of speech, tone of voice, facial expression, and body language of one or more other people. But focusing so much on my difficulties in part is a way of hiding from the fact that very few people show interest in me. I may get overwhelmed in social situations, but I know that I'm also afraid of approaching people and once again experiencing their indifference or dislike. So I often just avoid social or even one-on-one situations. I've learned to speak with normal voice inflection, but I do a number of the things you list, like being a little professor, having an odd gait, etc. This was a good topic for discussion!



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25 Aug 2017, 11:14 pm

Depending at the autistic traits mixed with preferences and personality's comparability with the current culture norm.
Yet that doesn't mean the instinct is there, on the how to build the network is there -- said behaviors that is mostly done unaware happened to be acceptable, with little or no need for masking which is the most possible how an autistic would've have a fulfilling social life without much effort.

How to maintain relationships is one. Communication on how to interpret is also another. Then several areas of psychosocial skills is also inevitable...


In my case, this is the only major related issues I could possibly have in a conceptual sense.
I done with of most non-social factors, and had worked around with my current culture -- which is why I got away with several quirks. :lol:
But there's no 'sync', there's no 'drive' of give and take, there's also no 'drive' on enforcing the norm, and my way of being appropriate lies on restraint and inhibitions based on my personal database (memory) instead of completely natural range of behaviors (something I won't ever do at several scenarios) or unnatural range of acting to be appropriate (something I wouldn't do at all nor a need to).

All I have to understand is how and where NTs draw said concept -- which I had found how and where, and it is VERY OVERWHELMINGLY COMPLEX if you find it. Grasping the macro side of connections is overwhelming. Grasping micro side of connections may be doable but only if you have, like, being sheltered, 1 or 3 people around your life and aren't very social themselves and rarely ever change. Grasping both at the same time, it ends with a white noise or something chaotic... Something that is shunned or blocked.
That's why NTs do it unconsciously, and not be overwhelmed by it. Therefore, they don't need explicit knowledge of social rules. This isn't something that any autistics would've done at any stage of life, and why we need to learn hundreds or thousands of rules to go by along with the means to do it.


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26 Aug 2017, 1:33 pm

Sensory hyposensitivity and discrimination (of sensory information) is just as important as hypersensitivity.


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26 Aug 2017, 9:03 pm

Lumi wrote:
Sensory hyposensitivity and discrimination (of sensory information) is just as important as hypersensitivity.


Thank you! :D


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