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21 Jan 2018, 1:49 am

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Autism is only a problem insofar how it affects your mood, relationships and career. In an ideal situation one would manage to insulate themselves within a compatible social circle and manage to pull off a satisfactory job and lead a reasonably happy existence.

Isolation and feeling trapped are definitely relatable feelings. I'm not yet at the point of giving up and wanting to be NT though. Who would want to live on easymode :twisted: #notpsychologicaldefensemechanisms


But if someone doesn't have those supports and still gets on fine then they don't have autism.


Agreed


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21 Jan 2018, 2:04 am

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kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


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21 Jan 2018, 2:09 am

The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


Not true in my casw
My Ex H raped his sister (according to her which i believe because she never lied once to me or anyone n he lied constantly to everyone includung me n was caught in many lies)
My Ex MIL tried to poison my (disabled) son
They are both psychopaths (eg Ex H claims not to feel anything but need for power/ anger driving force, enjoys only when ppl are hurt (as he told me) , Ex MIL tried multiple times to poison their cat when it finally died she took selfies with the carcass) and are very evil. P


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21 Jan 2018, 2:13 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


Not true in my casw
My Ex H raped his sister (according to her which i believe because she never lied once to me or anyone n he lied constantly to everyone includung me n was caught in many lies)
My Ex MIL tried to poison my (disabled) son
They are both psychopaths (eg Ex H claims not to feel anything but need for power/ anger driving force, enjoys only when ppl are hurt (as he told me) , Ex MIL tried multiple times to poison their cat when it finally died she took selfies with the carcass) and are very evil. P

Thats not psycopathic at all, thats the behaviour of a sadist


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21 Jan 2018, 2:17 am

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadisti ... y_disorder

The hollywood depiction of a 'psycho' has some elements of psycopothy mixed primarily with sadism


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21 Jan 2018, 2:18 am

The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


Not true in my casw
My Ex H raped his sister (according to her which i believe because she never lied once to me or anyone n he lied constantly to everyone includung me n was caught in many lies)
My Ex MIL tried to poison my (disabled) son
They are both psychopaths (eg Ex H claims not to feel anything but need for power/ anger driving force, enjoys only when ppl are hurt (as he told me) , Ex MIL tried multiple times to poison their cat when it finally died she took selfies with the carcass) and are very evil. P

Thats not psycopathic at all, thats the behaviour of a sadist


Really? When I told a certified expert, in psychology, many things about them both, I was told they are psychopaths.

That is why they only get fleeting pleasure from winning the very games they create unbeknownst to their victims/the game pieces.


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21 Jan 2018, 2:21 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


Not true in my casw
My Ex H raped his sister (according to her which i believe because she never lied once to me or anyone n he lied constantly to everyone includung me n was caught in many lies)
My Ex MIL tried to poison my (disabled) son
They are both psychopaths (eg Ex H claims not to feel anything but need for power/ anger driving force, enjoys only when ppl are hurt (as he told me) , Ex MIL tried multiple times to poison their cat when it finally died she took selfies with the carcass) and are very evil. P

Thats not psycopathic at all, thats the behaviour of a sadist


Really? When I told a certified expert, in psychology, many things about them both, I was told they are psychopaths.

That is why they only get fleeting pleasure from winning the very games they create unbeknownst to their victims/the game pieces.


Its possible they are pyschopaths, because psychopathy is comorbid with sadism, but thats sadistic behaviour.
Psychologists sometimes make mistakes.


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21 Jan 2018, 2:28 am

The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


Not true in my casw
My Ex H raped his sister (according to her which i believe because she never lied once to me or anyone n he lied constantly to everyone includung me n was caught in many lies)
My Ex MIL tried to poison my (disabled) son
They are both psychopaths (eg Ex H claims not to feel anything but need for power/ anger driving force, enjoys only when ppl are hurt (as he told me) , Ex MIL tried multiple times to poison their cat when it finally died she took selfies with the carcass) and are very evil. P

Thats not psycopathic at all, thats the behaviour of a sadist


Really? When I told a certified expert, in psychology, many things about them both, I was told they are psychopaths.

That is why they only get fleeting pleasure from winning the very games they create unbeknownst to their victims/the game pieces.


Its possible they are pyschopaths, because psychopathy is comorbid with sadism, but thats sadistic behaviour.
Psychologists sometimes make mistakes.


I see - it seems there are very fine distinctions and connections in psychology.


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21 Jan 2018, 2:33 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


Not true in my casw
My Ex H raped his sister (according to her which i believe because she never lied once to me or anyone n he lied constantly to everyone includung me n was caught in many lies)
My Ex MIL tried to poison my (disabled) son
They are both psychopaths (eg Ex H claims not to feel anything but need for power/ anger driving force, enjoys only when ppl are hurt (as he told me) , Ex MIL tried multiple times to poison their cat when it finally died she took selfies with the carcass) and are very evil. P

Thats not psycopathic at all, thats the behaviour of a sadist


Really? When I told a certified expert, in psychology, many things about them both, I was told they are psychopaths.

That is why they only get fleeting pleasure from winning the very games they create unbeknownst to their victims/the game pieces.


Its possible they are pyschopaths, because psychopathy is comorbid with sadism, but thats sadistic behaviour.
Psychologists sometimes make mistakes.


I see - it seems there are very fine distinctions and connections in psychology.

Heres a decent article.
http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/14/u ... thic-mind/
I have skimmed over it, and it seems pretty good overall. It makes a few small mistakes, such as it confuses sociopaths and psychopaths at some points but seems good overall. As I said, I only skimmed it, so I maybe have missed some large mistakes though.

This lady is a legitmate psychopath and you may want to read some stuff from her perspective if you wish to understand it better.
https://www.quora.com/profile/Athena-Walker


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21 Jan 2018, 2:34 am

When it comes to bullying, a psychopath simply wont care about your emotions, and sp it has no point for them, while a sadist gets joy from your pain.


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21 Jan 2018, 2:42 am

The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


Not true in my casw
My Ex H raped his sister (according to her which i believe because she never lied once to me or anyone n he lied constantly to everyone includung me n was caught in many lies)
My Ex MIL tried to poison my (disabled) son
They are both psychopaths (eg Ex H claims not to feel anything but need for power/ anger driving force, enjoys only when ppl are hurt (as he told me) , Ex MIL tried multiple times to poison their cat when it finally died she took selfies with the carcass) and are very evil. P

Thats not psycopathic at all, thats the behaviour of a sadist


Really? When I told a certified expert, in psychology, many things about them both, I was told they are psychopaths.

That is why they only get fleeting pleasure from winning the very games they create unbeknownst to their victims/the game pieces.


Its possible they are pyschopaths, because psychopathy is comorbid with sadism, but thats sadistic behaviour.
Psychologists sometimes make mistakes.


I see - it seems there are very fine distinctions and connections in psychology.

Heres a decent article.
http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/14/u ... thic-mind/
I have skimmed over it, and it seems pretty good overall. It makes a few small mistakes, such as it confuses sociopaths and psychopaths at some points but seems good overall. As I said, I only skimmed it, so I maybe have missed some large mistakes though.

This lady is a legitmate psychopath and you may want to read some stuff from her perspective if you wish to understand it better.
https://www.quora.com/profile/Athena-Walker


Thanks- I just perused her posts and now have an idea of the difference.

I do find it rather chilling but it was helpful.

My lawyer (perhaps most) would be a psychopath because he has no emotional response unless it directly relates to himself and that too seems momentary
This gives him the clarity of mind and detachment one hopes for from a lawyer so it’s good and not harmful
My XH wd be a sadist because he genuinely enjoys seeing suffering created by him as he has stated on several occasions to me.


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21 Jan 2018, 3:04 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
The Musings Of The Lost wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
kod87 wrote:
yes

I fundamentally don't like myself or how I think, unfortunately though, I can't escape it. I would happily be one of the neurotypical sheep, they seem happy and content.

If I could throw my personality and the way I think away, I would do it in an instant.

I am quite depressed, so that's probably significantly influencing my opinion here.


Agreed. It would be nice to be able to carry relationships of any kind and enjoy it because you’re not worried.

It would be nice to have grown up not having been heavily bullied for years and therefore depressed

It would be nice to have childhood memories of being part of the group and not an outsider and loner.


Also I think it SIgnificantly increases likelihood of emotional and psychological abuse because u become the perfect target for sociopathic types.

Legitimate socio or psychopaths are actually very unlikely to bully people. They are a group as misunderstood as we.
At the end of the days its almost completely nt a**holes who bully


Not true in my casw
My Ex H raped his sister (according to her which i believe because she never lied once to me or anyone n he lied constantly to everyone includung me n was caught in many lies)
My Ex MIL tried to poison my (disabled) son
They are both psychopaths (eg Ex H claims not to feel anything but need for power/ anger driving force, enjoys only when ppl are hurt (as he told me) , Ex MIL tried multiple times to poison their cat when it finally died she took selfies with the carcass) and are very evil. P

Thats not psycopathic at all, thats the behaviour of a sadist


Really? When I told a certified expert, in psychology, many things about them both, I was told they are psychopaths.

That is why they only get fleeting pleasure from winning the very games they create unbeknownst to their victims/the game pieces.


Its possible they are pyschopaths, because psychopathy is comorbid with sadism, but thats sadistic behaviour.
Psychologists sometimes make mistakes.


I see - it seems there are very fine distinctions and connections in psychology.

Heres a decent article.
http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/14/u ... thic-mind/
I have skimmed over it, and it seems pretty good overall. It makes a few small mistakes, such as it confuses sociopaths and psychopaths at some points but seems good overall. As I said, I only skimmed it, so I maybe have missed some large mistakes though.

This lady is a legitmate psychopath and you may want to read some stuff from her perspective if you wish to understand it better.
https://www.quora.com/profile/Athena-Walker


Thanks- I just perused her posts and now have an idea of the difference.

I do find it rather chilling but it was helpful.

My lawyer (perhaps most) would be a psychopath because he has no emotional response unless it directly relates to himself and that too seems momentary
This gives him the clarity of mind and detachment one hopes for from a lawyer so it’s good and not harmful
My XH wd be a sadist because he genuinely enjoys seeing suffering created by him as he has stated on several occasions to me.


Glad to help. A lawyer would probably be a good job for a psychopath, but tjat doesn't necessarily mean your is. My sister is a lawyer for example, she is not, but when working she does her utmost to keep everything professional and not reveal emotions. I would guess most lawyers simply avoid showing emotion while working because it makes their work easier, not because they don't have them.

Also, just to be clear, I don't want to spread the wrong idea about sadists either. I am less knowladgeable about sadism, but I would guess that the majority of sadists control themselves, rather than purposefully hurting others like in your example.


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21 Jan 2018, 4:24 am

livingwithautism wrote:
Arniel wrote:
Autism is only a problem insofar how it affects your mood, relationships and career. In an ideal situation one would manage to insulate themselves within a compatible social circle and manage to pull off a satisfactory job and lead a reasonably happy existence.

Isolation and feeling trapped are definitely relatable feelings. I'm not yet at the point of giving up and wanting to be NT though. Who would want to live on easymode :twisted: #notpsychologicaldefensemechanisms


But if someone doesn't have those supports and still gets on fine then they don't have autism.

Not necessarily. It could mean they have learned social skills or are lucky enough to have people around them that are understanding and share interests.
I had a decade or so where I was doing fine while autistic.


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Autism or not, I would cure twe way I do tasks. What takes my peers 20 minutes can take me a few days to do. Projects, assignments, presentations... Ugh!
To way I talk to people. No friends whatsoever!
I can give a speech on Mantis Religiosa or Empusa Pennata but heck, what do friends talk about?
I'm tired of being THE weird one. I would cure this.


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Autism or not, I would cure twe way I do tasks. What takes my peers 20 minutes can take me a few days to do. Projects, assignments, presentations... Ugh!
To way I talk to people. No friends whatsoever!
I can give a speech on Mantis Religiosa or Empusa Pennata but heck, what do friends talk about?
I'm tired of being THE weird one. I would cure this.


I love you from your posts- you have a subtle humour and laid back but intelligent way of thinking. You remind me of my brother.


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I love you from your posts- you have a subtle humour and laid back but intelligent way of thinking. You remind me of my brother.

Oh, thank you!


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