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14 Nov 2018, 9:46 pm

I wasn't abused as a child....I was certainly autistic.

You're saying stuff that has no basis in reality....



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14 Nov 2018, 9:48 pm

I am saying that it is not a defect, disorder, or deficiency. We may never really know that much about it, but I am saying that it is a lived experience. Like Nadesan, I say that it is largely socially constructed and socially reinforced.

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14 Nov 2018, 10:11 pm

There are several contested models of AS. The medical model tends to receive more limelight here, and others tend to be mostly overlooked.

This review is useful in articulating the strengths and weaknesses of different models of AS:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK378951/



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14 Nov 2018, 11:49 pm

The most recent counselor told me that she didn't know what :mrgreen: treatment refractory depression was :roll: .


And this was, by far, the best counselor I have ever had

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15 Nov 2018, 6:45 am

Richard_the_ Dogged wrote:
I am saying that it is not a defect, disorder, or deficiency. We may never really know that much about it, but I am saying that it is a lived experience. Like Nadesan, I say that it is largely socially constructed and socially reinforced.

Richard


Wouldn't it be true that opinions of it are (potentially) socially constructed and socially reinforced? My sensitivity to light and noise is not socially constructed or reinforced, but the way people interpret that sensitivity can be.

Ultimately, though, I think the issue is less social construction and more difference in communication. We all know how poor communication in a relationship is a bad sign, and here we have social relationships between NT and ND individuals, both of whom communicate quite differently.



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15 Nov 2018, 8:51 am

The thread, as I understood it, was to discuss people who are miserable for one reason or another and can't seem to take what seem to be reasonable steps to improve their lives. This could apply to anyone. The issue of what autism is and caused by, or if it even exists, is outside of the topic.


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15 Nov 2018, 10:51 am

blazingstar wrote:
The thread, as I understood it, was to discuss people who are miserable for one reason or another and can't seem to take what seem to be reasonable steps to improve their lives. This could apply to anyone. The issue of what autism is and caused by, or if it even exists, is outside of the topic.

Exactly! And this is why I asked Richard to cease and desist within the thread (which he did not do), because he seems to be a single-issue commenter and his issue was off-topic.


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15 Nov 2018, 11:41 am

BeaArthur wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
The thread, as I understood it, was to discuss people who are miserable for one reason or another and can't seem to take what seem to be reasonable steps to improve their lives. This could apply to anyone. The issue of what autism is and caused by, or if it even exists, is outside of the topic.
Exactly! And this is why I asked Richard to cease and desist within the thread (which he did not do), because he seems to be a single-issue commenter and his issue was off-topic.
He's also been spamming other threads with the same spurious nonsense.



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15 Nov 2018, 12:13 pm

In education we often see the kind of behaviour BeaArthur was describing. We get in all sorts of specialists to help a child with specific needs, we put together a program for the child and we closely monitor it to see that the child is happy and learning and then, sometimes, the family just pull out for reasons which make no sense to the team. I feel very frustrated when this happens because we work really hard for our children and what we're doing really helps them but it is the parent's choice and we just have to accept it. I just let go and move on. I can see no sense in getting upset over something I have no power to change.


It reminds me of the phrase "You can lead a horse to water..."


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15 Nov 2018, 12:21 pm

Jo_B1_Kenobi wrote:
... just let go and move on. I can see no sense in getting upset over something I have no power to change.
That reminds me of the Serenity Prayer:

God, give me grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things which should be changed,
And the Wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.

Jo_B1_Kenobi wrote:
It reminds me of the phrase "You can lead a horse to water..."
"... but you can't make her think."

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15 Nov 2018, 12:26 pm

Richard_the_ Dogged wrote:
I am saying that it is not a defect, disorder, or deficiency. We may never really know that much about it, but I am saying that it is a lived experience. Like Nadesan, I say that it is largely socially constructed and socially reinforced.

Richard
>I'm saying it's not a disorder.
It's been proven to be a genetic disorder multiple times. It's you versus multiple scientific studies buddy.


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15 Nov 2018, 12:30 pm

Pieplup wrote:
Richard_the_ Dogged wrote:
I am saying that it is not a defect, disorder, or deficiency. We may never really know that much about it, but I am saying that it is a lived experience. Like Nadesan, I say that it is largely socially constructed and socially reinforced. Richard
>I'm saying it's not a disorder. It's been proven to be a genetic disorder multiple times. It's you versus multiple scientific studies buddy.
He has a Luddite's attitude toward anything scientific while embracing ideas that have no basis in science at all.



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15 Nov 2018, 12:34 pm

Autism is a disorder which has widely divergent presentations (i.e., it's a "spectrum.")

The presentation can range from:

A person being wheelchair-bound for the rest of his/her life, and having to wear a helmet to protect from self-injury

to

A person who is an absolute genius, charms people left and right, and invents and discovers many things.

Obviously, the vast majority of people are in between these extremes.



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15 Nov 2018, 12:53 pm

Homosexuality used to be described as a disorder, too.
Autism has been redefined several times, I'm pretty sure it will be redefined many more times as the knowledge on the topic improves.
Scientific claims are intended to be constantly questioned within the scientific frame.


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16 Nov 2018, 5:31 am

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16 Nov 2018, 8:41 pm

I actually wasn't limiting this discussion to autistic people though. Resistance to change can be true of people with any number of issues.

One of the most staggering, jaw-dropping observations is when someone with obvious and profound disabilities, such as physical disabilities, plus head injury, plus PTSD from long military service, refuses to apply for medical benefits. I don't understand that at all.


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