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13 Jun 2019, 3:47 am

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- Because their way of thinking is different to ours, we can have trouble working out how their minds work. This is known as lack of empathy.

- Because our way of thinking is different to theirs, they can have trouble working out how our minds work. This is also lack of empathy.

The above mirror-image is well known as the "double empathy problem".
The following pair, however, seem rather less symmetrical; some might even say hypocritical...

- When we behave in ways which they don't understand, they should be tolerant because our way of thinking is "different".

- When they behave in ways which we don't understand, we should always assume that they are up to something.

Some people are malicious, I have no doubt about that; but assuming so by default is merely prejudice, whoever is doing it. And it's not generally a good move if you want to convince them to treat us better. Rather ironically, not being able to see this could itself be described as a lack of empathy.

It doesn't matter who the them and us are - the argument is still the same.

The main reason that there seems to be such an imbalance is simply because autistic people have more contact with non-autistic people than the other way around; by a huge margin. If 95% of people are non-autistic, then it stands to reason that 95% of the nasty people you know will also be non-autistic, all other things being equal. We don't get any choice than to be immersed in a mostly non-autistic world, but our world is a complete mystery to most people. Maybe the diagnostic manuals for autism should include; "difficult for non-autistic people to empathise with."



Thank you for that, I am beginning to see things this way too.

Regarding " always thinking that they are up to something" that is sound advice. In hebrew we have a saying " Kabdehu ve chashdehu" which means honour (respect) all but trust no one.


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13 Jun 2019, 4:00 am

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Is it possible that aspies diligent adherance to methodology, order and procedure makes it easier for them to deal with emergencies, and delay the emotional response till the crisis has passed? I read an article magz, can't remember the context.

That's what I meant by hyperfocus. In my case it weren't methodology, order and procedure, it were patterns - mental patterns that help me understand the situation and make the best decisions. That's my mind, I'm an abstract pattern thinker.
But generally yes, an Aspie can be so focused on mechanical / procedural aspects of the situation that the emotional load is hardly noticeable to them.

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My aspie friends do not react well to emergencies, actually they panic, and their deep concern for me in dire straits causes them great distress. I imagine that similar to the wide spectrum of emotional depth and reaction in allistics, the range is wide in ASD also, and is variable and individual.

Definitely yes!



Thinking in mental patterns is an awesome gift magz. Must make music and many other things fly for you to unimaginable heights. I am so not systematic and organised.I have ADD and go round in circles lol. We must all make the most of what life gives us and make lemonade instead of cursing the lemons. :D


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13 Jun 2019, 8:38 am

I'm not really good at "thinking in patterns." I'm more a concrete thinker. I do fairly well in "pattern" sorts of things on IQ tests, though.

My main problem is my "stick-to-it-ness." This is why I would not have made a great scientist. I just don't have the patience and the extremely logical thinking pattern. I let my emotions determine my feelings about the results of experiments. I have difficulty with counterintuitive results of studies.



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13 Jun 2019, 8:47 am

The other thing is that, sometimes they think they are showing "empathy", but they are being too dramatic

Making a mountain out of a molehill

Then it's like, :evil: reverse psychology and devil's advocate :twisted:

And adrenal fatigue

When they say they are "sorry" for things that are not their fault

Then something happens that is their fault

And "sorry" means nothing


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