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30 Jun 2019, 10:04 pm

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It's a lesson I slowly learned and constantly relearn. Dishonesty is the real social lubricant.


NT lubricant.


Folks with ASD appreciate it too, when it sates our egos. We just don't like to find out about it.


That's your opinion bucko. :mrgreen:
I don't share it. <shrug>

RE: Ego.
I don't think much of it and I constantly mock it, as you might have noticed. :wink:


I have, if you haven't noticed I do too. It doesn't mean we're immune to it's effects, even when we're blind to it in the moment. :wink:


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01 Jul 2019, 12:02 am

I've always had a dislike for dishonesty from a very early age. I found out that most people are dishonest at the age of 12. There were two girls in my PE class who would tell me things that weren't true. I used to watch Dr. Phil all the time. I've lost interest as soon as he did an episode about a compulsive liar, two months ago.


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01 Jul 2019, 3:35 am

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Define "honest"

Mister redelings had the nerve to tell me that it was "lying"" for me to ask him to call me "he" instead of "she'

San Diego 2006 civil engineer

Just because someone does not believe it, doesn't mean it's "lying"


Wow.

I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't know you were a biological female who self-identifies as male. I remember once you mentioned being post-menopausal and too old to have children, and I didn't get it. I remember thinking, "Male menopause isn't the same as actual menopause in women. What the hell is this short, fat, and bald guy talking about with his being post-menopausal?" The truth is, some confusion will arise when a person is biologically X but self-identifies as Y.

My honesty here, like in real life, is not intended to offend. But even here I'll catch flack for being "too honest."



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01 Jul 2019, 3:39 am

Also wanted to say...I hate being patronized, but learned at some point that some people expect to be patronized. If you've ever worked in retail, and a customer asks for a product that you KNOW isn't there...sometimes you might have to play pretend, take a walk around the storage room to appear to be actively searching, and report back that, sorry, it's not there.

While it's a waste of time in my opinion, I've done stuff like this just to patronize people who would otherwise get all uppity if I directly and honestly told them "NO." Sometimes it's easier to be dishonest when the person is expecting dishonesty, just to get rid of them.



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01 Jul 2019, 4:06 am

I must admit that I get stuck when I do not know which area the truth lies. I mean... If someone asks me something directly and tells me to say the truth, but the options are such that I don't know the truth so I can't answer them, and they get more wound up because they want me to lie to them rather then say nothing.
I remember working on the trains. I reached a certain city station and I was heading towards the underpass to reach the staff room to drop my kit off, so I could then get some lunch/breakfast, and a red faced angry man came up to me and he said "Tell me which platform my train is at".
<I am shortening the conversation slightly as he just would not tell me any information as to where he was going.>
I asked "Where are you going?"
He ignored this and replied "Tell me which platform!"
I said "How do I know if you don't tell me where you are going?"
He said "Don't give me that!" (All the time he was shouting at me in his temper. I thought "I am going to have to get rid of this man" as he wasn't letting me pass. He refused when I said to follow him to see a member of station staff. He didn't give me any hint as to where he was going, so I had a sudden brainwave. I said "Platform 5".
Now platform 5 used to exist many years ago and was a bay platform. As the old platform 5 was enscribed into the wall of the stairs of platforms 3 and 4 and was not allowed to be altered as the station is a listed building...
He said "Thank you" in a type of condescending tone.... I quickly dissapeared before he found out there was no platform 5. At least I was able to get my lunch!
I absolutely hate angry unreasonable people. If he had said where he was going, even though he was over the top with rage, I would have told him what platform he needed to go on. I can't read minds.

You can see why the job can be stressful. I have had all sorts happen to me from having a knife held to my face to being picked up by the neck. Spitting in ones face was an almost weekly or twice weekly occurance.


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01 Jul 2019, 4:31 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
You can see why the job can be stressful. I have had all sorts happen to me from having a knife held to my face to being picked up by the neck. Spitting in ones face was an almost weekly or twice weekly occurance.


I remember working at a gas station (which I guess the British would call a petrol station, or something) and having people ask me for obscure directions, very vaguely telling me where they wanted to go. I'd ask where they were going (meaning a town or general area) and sometimes they'd get offended. "It's none of your business!" I guess they thought I wanted personal details, like a specific address, when all I wanted was a geographical location to point them in the right direction. It's also possible a lot of these people have major pride issues and can't handle needing to be in a position of asking for directions in the first place.

Hearing the threats against you, I can relate. It's hard for us living in a world dominated by them. Even if they're all simpatico with each other, a contingency of them feels that its their God-given right to mistreat us, even physically, for responding in ways they can't comprehend.

Theory of mind problems are a two-way street, and we're the ones who suffer when others get confused.



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02 Jul 2019, 12:09 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
It's a lesson I slowly learned and constantly relearn. Dishonesty is the real social lubricant.


NT lubricant.


Folks with ASD appreciate it too, when it sates our egos. We just don't like to find out about it.


That's your opinion bucko. :mrgreen:
I don't share it. <shrug>

RE: Ego.
I don't think much of it and I constantly mock it, as you might have noticed. :wink:


I have, if you haven't noticed I do too. It doesn't mean we're immune to it's effects, even when we're blind to it in the moment. :wink:


I think more in terms of consequences.
With certain people, being honest only provides them with a weapon to use against you.
I am rarely tempted to lie to people like that.
Generally, I tag the feral and avoid it altogether. :mrgreen:



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02 Jul 2019, 12:15 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:

My honesty here, like in real life, is not intended to offend. But even here I'll catch flack for being "too honest."


You Bastardo!
Put a muzzle on it and keep your honesty to yourself. :mrgreen:

Expectations realised.
Happy now? :wink:



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02 Jul 2019, 2:59 am

Pepe wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:

My honesty here, like in real life, is not intended to offend. But even here I'll catch flack for being "too honest."


You Bastardo!
Put a muzzle on it and keep your honesty to yourself. :mrgreen:

Expectations realised.
Happy now? :wink:


To be honest, I think you changed your avatar after a bunch of people were honest with you and said they associate you with Wendy or Bebe from South Park.



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03 Jul 2019, 12:13 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:

My honesty here, like in real life, is not intended to offend. But even here I'll catch flack for being "too honest."


You Bastardo!
Put a muzzle on it and keep your honesty to yourself. :mrgreen:

Expectations realised.
Happy now? :wink:


To be honest, I think you changed your avatar after a bunch of people were honest with you and said they associate you with Wendy or Bebe from South Park.


You are entitled to believe what you want. <shrug>

I could easily say: yes, you are right.
No skin off my nose.
And why would there be?

The real reason was my converastion with (I think) IsabellaLinton.
She even sent me a Pepe le Pew image.
That got me motivated.
And wholla!
I did it, finally.

If you missed the conversation it went something like this:
I originally had intended to use a Pepe le Pew avatar (6 yrs ago) but I couldn't get it to work.

I am smarter now, 6 years on, as it should be. :wink:



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03 Jul 2019, 1:59 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Define "honest"

Mister redelings had the nerve to tell me that it was "lying"" for me to ask him to call me "he" instead of "she'

San Diego 2006 civil engineer

Just because someone does not believe it, doesn't mean it's "lying"


Wow.

I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't know you were a biological female who self-identifies as male. I remember once you mentioned being post-menopausal and too old to have children, and I didn't get it. I remember thinking, "Male menopause isn't the same as actual menopause in women. What the hell is this short, fat, and bald guy talking about with his being post-menopausal?" The truth is, some confusion will arise when a person is biologically X but self-identifies as Y.

My honesty here, like in real life, is not intended to offend. But even here I'll catch flack for being "too honest."

Same here.
I assumed that he was.. a man (who may, or may, not be vertically, and follically, and appearance, impaired).



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03 Jul 2019, 6:29 am

^^ The world is overpopulated, so people whose genes leave them confused about gender are being exploited as trend-setters.



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03 Jul 2019, 3:57 pm

I like to be honest.



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03 Jul 2019, 4:24 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Define "honest"

Mister redelings had the nerve to tell me that it was "lying"" for me to ask him to call me "he" instead of "she'

San Diego 2006 civil engineer

Just because someone does not believe it, doesn't mean it's "lying"


Wow.

I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't know you were a biological female who self-identifies as male. I remember once you mentioned being post-menopausal and too old to have children, and I didn't get it. I remember thinking, "Male menopause isn't the same as actual menopause in women. What the hell is this short, fat, and bald guy talking about with his being post-menopausal?" The truth is, some confusion will arise when a person is biologically X but self-identifies as Y.

My honesty here, like in real life, is not intended to offend. But even here I'll catch flack for being "too honest."


A good rule of thumb to remember: if you're arguing with someone over their gender identity, you're already clearly wrong and they're not lying to you; the longer you draw the argument out the worse you'll appear.


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03 Jul 2019, 4:36 pm

If people want to be really honest, those forms asking about gender will not stop at M/F/G/L/B/TS, but have to continue on for columns worth of every kink known to humanity to check off. How else could the people affected explain that what really matters to them is not the gender, but the feet or the hair?



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03 Jul 2019, 5:02 pm

Dear_one wrote:
If people want to be really honest, those forms asking about gender will not stop at M/F/G/L/B/TS, but have to continue on for columns worth of every kink known to humanity to check off. How else could the people affected explain that what really matters to them is not the gender, but the feet or the hair?


One's gender identity isn't a kink though. When you create a character for a game and pick traits like height, weight, gender, etc, are you thinking of it merely in a sexualized way, or is it just part of who they are?


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Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.