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16 May 2020, 12:46 pm

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I carry a little spray bottle of alcohol in my purse along with another little spray bottle of alcohol homemade hand sanitizer. I mist every single item with alcohol before putting it into my shopping bag and then spray my hands with my homemade sanitizer. Then when I get home, I spray every single item including food and produce with hydrogen peroxide and distilled vinegar. And any produce gets thoroughly washed again before I eat it. I also disinfect the inside of my shopping bag with vinegar and peroxide or alcohol. I have always disinfected my groceries and shopping bags. But this is the first time that I am actually disinfecting items in the store before putting them into my shopping bag. I also refuse to use carts. I have not used carts in almost a decade because people put their kids in them and God only knows what they stepped in before being put into the cart. I also once saw a mom leave her kid in the food part of the cart after he pee'd on himself and on the cart. And the carts never get properly cleaned and disinfected. Even when they are outside they are not exposed to UV rays like they should be because they are under cart roofs.

On the last couple of trips into the store (before the pandemic had really taken off) I wore disposable gloves, kept 6 feet away from everybody, picked items from the back of the shelf (to reduce the risk of previous customers having handled the items), used one gloved hand to push the cart and the other to pick up the items (which taxed my wrist). When I got outside and had loaded up the trunk and put the cart in the bay, I carefully removed the gloves, turning them inside out in the process and knotting them so as to contain any contamination.

I've never seen a child soil a cart, but I've figured that it can't be good hygeine for them to sit there, so I avoid putting stuff into that bit of the cart. I don't claim my methods are perfect, they're a compromise.

I've read that ordinary soap rapidly destroys the virus on contact and is slightly more effective than anything else, so I tend to use that for disinfecting, rather than alcohol or sanitizer, as I'm wary of those chemical things. I hope it's true.

from a chemistry point of veiw alcohol . Is most effect ,, 91 % if you can still find it.


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16 May 2020, 1:05 pm

[quote=Tough Diamond]I've never seen a child soil a cart, but I've figured that it can't be good hygeine for them to sit there, so I avoid putting stuff into that bit of the cart. I don't claim my methods are perfect, they're a compromise.

I've read that ordinary soap rapidly destroys the virus on contact and is slightly more effective than anything else, so I tend to use that for disinfecting, rather than alcohol or sanitizer, as I'm wary of those chemical things. I hope it's true.[/quote]

I tend to pick items from the back as well. I never pick the one in the front. I also wash my hands extremely thoroughly all the time. I come from doctors and medical people and I often wash my hands in surgeon style! I agree that washing with soap and water is the best thing to do. And I just use diluted Dr Bronner's because I don't like antibacterial soaps. But many items you can't wash with soap and water so I like to give them a spritz of healthy disinfectant like hydrogen peroxide and distilled vinegar or 91% rubbing alcohol. And I only use my hand sanitizer when I am out and soap and water are not available. I prefer to make my hand sanitizer as well because I like knowing what is in it.


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16 May 2020, 1:07 pm

Why am I not getting quote boxes?


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16 May 2020, 1:09 pm

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Funny, I have personal friends IRL who say that they really enjoy working for Walmart and that the pay and benefits are pretty good. And when they told me about the pay and benefits they were getting they were better than I have ever gotten at any job I have ever had and I have had almost 60 jobs. Even when I worked retail, I never had the things they get.

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the received wisdom about some of these companies turned out to be rather distorted. I'm afraid the Left can be as guilty as the Right for spreading gossip and jumping to unjustified conclusions. It's long been a source of frustration for me that it's so hard to distinguish truth from propaganda. The principle of scientific rigour and honesty is a rare thing, it seems.
Yeah. I tend to not believe everything I hear. I much more readily believe what my friends who are in the actual situation tell me. They would definitely tell me if they were being mistreated. There is no reason for them to lie about it.


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17 May 2020, 7:43 am

That's interesting even though I really don't go to walmart like that o-o



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21 May 2020, 11:26 am

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Why am I not getting quote boxes?

I think it's because the username wasn't enclosed in quotation marks. But it looks like you found that out, or found some other way of fixing the problem.



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21 May 2020, 11:52 am

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from a chemistry point of veiw alcohol . Is most effect ,, 91 % if you can still find it.

At that strength I wouldn't be surprised :-o For me, that advantage of hand soap is that it's much kinder to the skin, so it can be used for pretty much as long and often as you like without harm, while alcohol, even at the 40% or so concentration in these hand sanitisers, is going to do more damage to some people's skin. As long as the chosen substance works within the time it's in use for, the skin will be virus-free.

Given that the skin is the body's first protection against infection, I'd also be concerned about anything that might make it more porous, though I've not seen any hard data on that. Each to his / her own of course. But it bothers me that employees might be denied the choice. I've no direct experience that's happening, but given the profit motive and time being money, I wouldn't put it past them in every case.



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21 May 2020, 12:16 pm

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It is because of leftist states that retail employees have many of the rights they do. California has long been the testing grounds for class action suits that advance employee rights. Rights won sets a precedent and they are then implemented across the US, and occasionally into Canada as well. I admit cases are generally launched against Walmart on purpose because of their size and the fact that they are everywhere. But that doesn't negate the fact that they take advantage of basic employment rights.

Things like paying cashiers only once the cash box is in their hands. And not the time it takes to punch in, walk to your station, etc. Only a few minutes here and there but it adds up over time - and it hits low income earners who need those dollars the most.

Walmart specifically has a history or not giving women advancing women to management roles.

They were the first to renegotiate supplier contracts that state if product isn't sold the supplier needs to buy it back. Trust me - this had forced many smaller businesses to barely earn a living in the beginning, and some to go belly up. Now order quantities are more targeted so less and issue. But 2020 is going to be extremely difficult for those suppliers. Especially if Walmart plays the game and asks for restructuring to get out of paying their debts (like JC Penney,Neiman Marcus, to name a few).

No one is accusing them of being monsters - just wanting them to play fair.


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21 May 2020, 12:37 pm

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I tend to pick items from the back as well. I never pick the one in the front. I also wash my hands extremely thoroughly all the time. I come from doctors and medical people and I often wash my hands in surgeon style! I agree that washing with soap and water is the best thing to do. And I just use diluted Dr Bronner's because I don't like antibacterial soaps. But many items you can't wash with soap and water so I like to give them a spritz of healthy disinfectant like hydrogen peroxide and distilled vinegar or 91% rubbing alcohol. And I only use my hand sanitizer when I am out and soap and water are not available. I prefer to make my hand sanitizer as well because I like knowing what is in it.

I doubt that disinfectants are particularly dangerous when used sparingly like that. I know my own aversion for contact with anything that has the slightest whiff of danger is down to perfectionism and black-and-white thinking. I used to think it could be paranoia or OCD, but it lacks the anxiety usually associated with those conditions.

During my last few trips to Walmart when the virus scare was just taking off, I began to wonder about the ethics of putting back an item myself. My reasoning was that if I took it from the back and then dumped it at the front, it would make it more difficult and confusing for others to operate the same "safe selection" process that I was doing, as I was taking the first bite of the cherry, so to speak. I comforted my sense of honour with the thought that it was pretty unlikely that anybody else was doing it my way, and just to be a little more sure I wasn't being antisocial, I took to putting things back in other areas so that it would be obvious they'd been touched by a customer. I had a strong sense that the risks I was pondering must be getting vanishingly small, but I never know where to draw the line. I suspect I'm more likely to die or kill somebody by overthinking than by the virus. :oops: