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18 Jan 2021, 11:05 pm

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I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


You mean go back to "sleep" :lol:



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18 Jan 2021, 11:33 pm

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I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


You mean go back to "sleep" :lol:


That's a good one. :lol:


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19 Jan 2021, 4:10 am

Is there even a definition for "woke?" I'm also hearing about "Intersectional" which has something to do with having more than one problem, but I suspect that the list of problems that can be included is not complete.
One of the most glaring inconsistencies I deal with is Canada's study on missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. It was years in the making, and is very widely quoted, but it adamantly ignores twice as many men and boys. This makes sense to our deep instincts, because the size of our next generation is not hurt by losing a few men, but the women can't do the work of two. 75% of the women survived the Titanic, saved by men who were not keen on letting them vote. Yet the feminists would have us believe that women have no advantages, except those recently taken from men.



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19 Jan 2021, 4:23 am

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One thing in favour of "woke" people...

I went on holiday at an artistic retreat with some.

They were all artists obviously.

But also so many autistic people! Especially LGBT people and autistic women!

The mindset was "harm none, live and let live, everyone should be treated with respect and those who are 'weird' whether because they're LGBT or because they're autistic or whatever shouldn't be shunned but should be welcomed".

Nicest place I've been as an autistic person tbh.

Contrast that with working in right wing villages where anyone "weird" was outcast. Or even just normal society where it's seen as "mean" to pick on people who are different if they "can't help it" but it still happens anyway and there's social hierarchy.


Do you ever go on twitter?
If you want left-wing nasty, you will find it in spades there, so I have heard.
I have no reason to disbelieve my respected sources, on this one. 8)

There are biatches and bastardos on both sides of the political divide.
You got lucky. 8)


These were irl people.

I have specifically said that everyone online is pretty much dickish, especially on twitter.


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19 Jan 2021, 4:26 am

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I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.

A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.


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19 Jan 2021, 4:33 am

KT67 wrote:
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I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.

A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.


Agreed that what follows may not be better. I get the strong impression that "not being a dick to LGBT2S people" means being able to seriously consider them as lovers. It isn't live and let live, it's a demand to mix.



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19 Jan 2021, 4:43 am

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Glad to hear you found a place where you feel you fit in :D


I think the internet encourages problems.

Maybe because of the weird indoor outdoor nature of it. I'm currently in bed typing this 8) :lol: But I'm typing to all the forum members reading & guests reading. That might be dozens of people.

We've only had a decade or so of that being likely the case. Only about 30 years going online and talking to strangers from the comfort of our own homes.

I think even us 'digital natives' and kids who're growing up on phones don't have it exactly established how to have good netiquette with all that in mind.

The typical way in the past was: act different when you go out. On the telephone, you're likely to only get family/friends so treat it like you've invited them round to your place. Which isn't the same thing as being alone at home or only with close family at home - not as relaxed. When you go out, there will be people who think differently to yourself and act differently & if you don't like it, just don't welcome them as friends.

Nowadays a lot of people feel the need to control the internet like it was an extension of their home. But it's actually for everyone. A 'woke' person shouldn't berate someone for not having pronouns in profile, just don't follow them if they don't like that. A conservative like my dad shouldn't do what my dad does and tell people off for saying swear words, he should just not interact with that person. But when it's your own home? Harder to think like that.

I don't really know the solution for this. But modded forums such as this one - while not avoiding arguments entirely - creates a bit more of a pleasant discourse than social media does. I think having an unlocked Twitter account is pretty foolish tbh, it opens you up to a barrage of abuse from strangers. Yes including left wing strangers. Yes including people who are likely not to be that foolish irl. People are overly comfortable online.


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19 Jan 2021, 4:46 am

Dear_one wrote:
KT67 wrote:
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I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.

A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.


Agreed that what follows may not be better. I get the strong impression that "not being a dick to LGBT2S people" means being able to seriously consider them as lovers. It isn't live and let live, it's a demand to mix.


Those kinds of people are idiots. I know who you mean but I doubt they exist in the real world. Remind them 'only yes means yes' and move on. Preferably without saying 'no, you're a bloke' to a trans woman.


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19 Jan 2021, 4:50 am

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Erm, but others do. 8O
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth. :scratch:

So what do you propose? The problem with any form of public identity is, you're not in control of any of the stuff that happens downstream. People read into things whatever they want, and there's little that can be done about it. You'll forever be associated with skunks by the members of this forum, for example. Third part analysis of that could get very weird indeed.....


But you must admit, I'm the smartest skunk in the known universe.
I can live with that. 8)

Ahhhhh, you're missing the point. What happens next is out of your hands.

What if Teh Internets decide you're the dumbest skunk of all time?


You've lost me.
Don't worry about it.
A skunk has its limits. ;)



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19 Jan 2021, 4:57 am

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All SJW culture is about is finding someone they can bully while virtue signaling at the same time. Let's find some poor disabled person who happens to be a white male so we can all go dogpile on him and tell him all about how his struggles are invalid because he's "privileged" and how that makes him a total piece of sh!t then pat ourselves on the back and congratulate ourselves for being such great f***ing heroes.


You might want to pursue that stuff on our Men's group, which is, surprise surprise, harder to find than the women's group, at viewtopic.php?t=153669 We are off topic and random, but not gone.

I spent most of my life among feminists, working for many social justice and environmental causes. I'm very securely straight, so I never had any problems around various gay and bi friends. However, when I noticed that in my support group, we were not close to practising gender equality by only supporting the women, I lost most my friends. When LGB started growing a train into LGBT2S etc, and letting anyone declare any personal pronoun, I stopped even trying to relate.
I was surprised to see the expansion of LGB promotion, but I would be even more surprised to see it include us. We are less homogenous, less telegenic, less vocal, and harder to include in the current trends.
"If the people who invented gender-neutral language were into equality, they'd be called Humanists."


I have pretty much given up on political correctness, mainly because I simply can't keep up.
Thankfully, I don't have people having a go at me here, if I make an innocent mistake.

Well, I remember *one* person who didn't like me asking about the LGBLTxyz123 community via a poll question, but overwhelmingly, I don't seem to be triggering people.
I must be doing something wrong. [joke] :mrgreen:



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19 Jan 2021, 5:03 am

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I occasionally play the ASD card as it is, when it is to my advantage. If ASD and neurodiversity becomes "woke", I'll simply milk that for all it's worth. Why not, since women and minorities can use that part of their identity to get ahead in some cases? :lol: Things are moving in a direction where people of certain groups are elevated anyways. Nothing I can say or do about it is going to change that, so I may as well just enjoy the perks of that.


I don't think it's necessary to milk it though. For example Greta Thunberg does not use her ASD to promote climate change activism. I admire her tenacity (despite her tender age and despite people ridiculing her).


Erm, but others do. 8O
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth. :scratch:


Cmon Peps...you know what I mean. She doesn't make her identity as a enviro-warrior about her autism. You gotta put aside your preferences for Bolt/Credlin's perspectives and give her some credit.


She is an intelligent young woman (she is a 'women', rather than a girl, now, right? Time flies), but I think a lot of her beliefs have come from her parents.

Having said that, I haven't heard what she is 'disseminating', these days. I think covid may have taken centre stage.
Hasn't she gone back to skool?



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19 Jan 2021, 5:06 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


I fear it won't dissipate in my lifetime. :roll:



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19 Jan 2021, 5:09 am

KT67 wrote:
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One thing in favour of "woke" people...

I went on holiday at an artistic retreat with some.

They were all artists obviously.

But also so many autistic people! Especially LGBT people and autistic women!

The mindset was "harm none, live and let live, everyone should be treated with respect and those who are 'weird' whether because they're LGBT or because they're autistic or whatever shouldn't be shunned but should be welcomed".

Nicest place I've been as an autistic person tbh.

Contrast that with working in right wing villages where anyone "weird" was outcast. Or even just normal society where it's seen as "mean" to pick on people who are different if they "can't help it" but it still happens anyway and there's social hierarchy.


Do you ever go on twitter?
If you want left-wing nasty, you will find it in spades there, so I have heard.
I have no reason to disbelieve my respected sources, on this one. 8)

There are biatches and bastardos on both sides of the political divide.
You got lucky. 8)


These were irl people.

I have specifically said that everyone online is pretty much dickish, especially on twitter.


I knew you were talking about real life.
It was a retreat.

Are you being snarky, or just being yourself? :mrgreen:



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19 Jan 2021, 5:13 am

KT67 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.

A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.


To me, and old dude, 'woke' is synonymous with 'virtue-signaller'. 8O



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19 Jan 2021, 6:07 am

Pepe wrote:
KT67 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.

A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.


To me, and old dude, 'woke' is synonymous with 'virtue-signaller'. 8O


Who's the old dude?



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19 Jan 2021, 6:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
KT67 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.


Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.

A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.


To me, and old dude, 'woke' is synonymous with 'virtue-signaller'. 8O


Who's the old dude?


KT67 seems to have a problem with older people.
I am one of the aged.
I think you qualify, also. :mrgreen: