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Jiheisho
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27 Jan 2021, 11:32 am

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People are born with their sex, not their gender identity or sexual orientation. The latter are formed in interaction with NT culture.


That is a very dangerous idea. Conversion therapy does not work because sexual orientation is not simply a learned behavior. And conversion therapy is very harmful. The same can be said with gender identity.

Gender is both nature and nurture. However, it is not sex, which is simply a biological criteria.



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27 Jan 2021, 11:36 am

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Sure, but it is one thing how you feel about it and another what you tell people. If LGBT is illegal, few people will identify openly as LGBT. If you dislike hook-up culture, you might identify openly with something that makes it less likely you will get dirty suggestions related to hook-up culture.


Not sure what you point is. If autism was illegal, then fewer people would be diagnosed, but that does not change the prevalence of ASD, it just means more people are undiagnosed.



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27 Jan 2021, 2:15 pm

Homosexuality was illegal in the UK until 1967. That certainly didn't decrease the quantity of gay and lesbian people pre 1967 versus post 1967.



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27 Jan 2021, 3:46 pm

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You methodology seems very similar to p-hacking. And when you are using personal preference in the selection of your questions, that is very putting more bias into the model. I am not convinced.


You didn't read the paper, and now are throwing strange stuff all around you. The construction process is described in detail, so go read it instead of expecting me to copy it here.

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What has it predicted? How did you determine the accuracy of the prediction?


It's described in the paper, so read it. :roll:

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So, you are only testing one hypothesis? And I think that is the weakness of your position--I feel like you have decided there is only one correct way to look at ASD and only one way to approach it.


Doesn't everybody? You cannot do science without a decent hypothesis. Which you should formulate BEFORE doing empirical research, otherwise it's just data-mining. It's the scientific method.

Here is a link to the hypothesis / theory: http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm. Note that it was invented in 2001 and the first Aspie Quiz was lanuched in 2004. So, I did it in the right order.



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27 Jan 2021, 3:58 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sure, but it is one thing how you feel about it and another what you tell people. If LGBT is illegal, few people will identify openly as LGBT. If you dislike hook-up culture, you might identify openly with something that makes it less likely you will get dirty suggestions related to hook-up culture.


Not sure what you point is. If autism was illegal, then fewer people would be diagnosed, but that does not change the prevalence of ASD, it just means more people are undiagnosed.


I think you have it a bit backwards. Before the ASD diagnosis we still had autistic people, but they couldn't identify as autistic or neurodiverse and so were hidden behind other labels or problems. So, there is no need for autism to be illegal to appear to not exist, it's quite sufficient that there exist no labels or descriptions that these people can identify with.



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27 Jan 2021, 4:22 pm

rdos wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
So, you are only testing one hypothesis? And I think that is the weakness of your position--I feel like you have decided there is only one correct way to look at ASD and only one way to approach it.


Doesn't everybody? You cannot do science without a decent hypothesis. Which you should formulate BEFORE doing empirical research, otherwise it's just data-mining. It's the scientific method.

Here is a link to the hypothesis / theory: http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm. Note that it was invented in 2001 and the first Aspie Quiz was lanuched in 2004. So, I did it in the right order.


Actually, you should have two--the other is the null hypothesis. But that was not my point. The point is you seem to be advocating for a position rather than researching ASD. You think you have "the" answer, when science is really not that definitive, at least not in this field.

As far as this conversation, you don't seem to be open to anything but your own opinion. Most of the researchers I meet are far more knowledgeable about the ambiguity of the subjects they research. And while critical of theories, they aren't dismissive either. I simply have the feeling you are using this thread to promote what you believe.