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16 Apr 2022, 6:58 am

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That bloody E-word mentioned again in the link. I am fed up with having a disorder that has "lack empathy" in the description.


hey sweetheart...compassion and empethy are different things

the disorder and its reputation is not whom you are

I know

your beautiful even if you are not nt

consider it an alternative take on life



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16 Apr 2022, 6:59 am

JimJohn wrote:
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there are huge differences between them

stop comparing them


The Queen has spoken.


yes lol me lady has lol lol



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16 Apr 2022, 7:01 am

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Anybody who doesn’t agree with you seems to be a “narcissist” these days.


so it seems

a term that is banded about way too much xx



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16 Apr 2022, 7:14 am

I just like doing my own thing but this can come across as. selfish

I need the quiet time

but I care more than peeps think



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16 Apr 2022, 7:18 am

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That's a good point.
I also believe that narcissistic traits are inherent in human populations for good reason.
Autistic traits also, though the reasons are different.
It's all about nature maintaining a balance.

Developmental delays -- it's normal to children and teenagers to be more self centered, but not adults.

Poor filtering/regulation -- dealing with both incoming and outgoing management -- basically more demanding self care than one's executive functions.

Asocial priorities and focus -- which is not the same as being self centered, but can be registered as.

Rigidity traits -- the whole bit of insisting what's right and wrong, may translate as insensitivity.

Poor sense of self and identity -- can be related to developmental issues. Definitely tied to poor social experience.
Poor sense of belonging, poor validation, compensating by 'self obsession'.


Feel free to add more. :P


I had developmental delays

I was behind my same age peers in some ways but in front in others

so backwards and forwards at the same time...slow but with an iq of 140...i write essays and play with words..

I can be rigid but I need stability, I hate chaos



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16 Apr 2022, 7:23 am

please don't be down on being autistic

autistic and narcissistic are two different things

I love nts by the way but also love autistic peeps too

don't be down on yourselves

I seem dim but I'm smarter than I look and I know what I'm yapping about *wink wink*

actually am smarter than I seem but because I'm socially dipsy everyone thinks I'm dumb...



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16 Apr 2022, 7:26 am

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I guess ASD can be mistaken for narcism because self-centeredness is a trait. However, with ASD you are not intentionally being self centered.

very true



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16 Apr 2022, 7:35 am

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I guess ASD can be mistaken for narcism because self-centeredness is a trait. However, with ASD you are not intentionally being self centered.

very true


I can be selfish if I want to be but I choose not to be, also it's in my nature to not be selfish.

And I don't like people saying I have compassion but not empathy. Isn't compassion the same thing as affective empathy? Why is lack of empathy always listed in psychopaths?


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16 Apr 2022, 11:43 am

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Why is lack of empathy always listed in psychopaths?


It seems inaccurate, people who seek to emotionally manipulate or engage in emotional sadism or even just to effectively intimidate others would need enough cognitive empathy in order to understand how their actions will impact others, right?

It seems unlikely that everyone who receives that label is actually just bumbling through life oblivious to harm they cause others.

There's also the whole concept of the dark empath.

I think part of the reason the terms sociopath and psychopath have mostly faded from use is because the understanding of how people like that think has changed over the years and there's more understanding that many of them do have high levels of empathy, they just choose to not be inhibited by it or they use it to harm others.


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16 Apr 2022, 2:26 pm

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It seems inaccurate, people who seek to emotionally manipulate or engage in emotional sadism or even just to effectively intimidate others would need enough cognitive empathy in order to understand how their actions will impact others, right?


Yes but if an autistic person decided to be a jerk and were aware of how they're making someone feel they'd still be told off for having no empathy, but an NT can misunderstand an autistic anybody not the same as them (even other NTs) and pick on them but it's part of empathy. I'm fed up with being obliged to be extremely nice and selfless all the time just because I have ASD. Like people would say I lack empathy just because I don't 100% agree with transgender stuff but if an NT doesn't agree with transgender stuff empathy does not come into the equation.


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16 Apr 2022, 2:31 pm

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It seems inaccurate, people who seek to emotionally manipulate or engage in emotional sadism or even just to effectively intimidate others would need enough cognitive empathy in order to understand how their actions will impact others, right?


Yes but if an autistic person decided to be a jerk and were aware of how they're making someone feel they'd still be told off for having no empathy...


Right, but lots of people utterly fail to understand autism and believe incorrect things about it. This isn't just limited to autism either; lots of psychology related jargon is terribly misunderstood by the general population. When people have only a superficial understanding of these things and it's entirely informed by pop-psychology they're going to believe all sorts of false things.

We really need to ensure people are better educated if we want to address problems driven by ignorance and misinformation. It's frustrating as hell when you consistently have to hear people's wrong opinions but they're still wrong no matter how many people express them.


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16 Apr 2022, 10:37 pm

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I guess ASD can be mistaken for narcism because self-centeredness is a trait. However, with ASD you are not intentionally being self centered.

very true


I can be selfish if I want to be but I choose not to be, also it's in my nature to not be selfish.

And I don't like people saying I have compassion but not empathy. Isn't compassion the same thing as affective empathy? Why is lack of empathy always listed in psychopaths?



empathy is understanding and sharing someones feelings, compassion is having concern for their feelings.



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16 Apr 2022, 10:40 pm

compassion is caring empathy is understanding.

I don't always understand, just as nts dont always understand me..(ie why I get upset when I lose my tickle) but I can still care about them.

pn just because I have a tickle and ramble does not mean I'm daft

had an iq of 140 once

not bragging, just saying

everyone thinks I'm stupid cause I'm not peopl smart....grrrrr



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16 Apr 2022, 10:42 pm

my tickle is a bit of silky material I rub and have been rubbing for over 40 years

not the same piece...they wear out lol



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16 Apr 2022, 10:46 pm

I had weird development though

tested at 13

behind my same age peers in some ways, in front in others

so backwards and forwards at the same time....



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16 Apr 2022, 11:04 pm

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empathy is understanding and sharing someones feelings, compassion is having concern for their feelings.


In that case I have both. Also I automatically feel other people's emotions.


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