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13 Feb 2022, 12:28 am

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While NTs aren't as noise sensitive as I am, they sometimes can be. They can jump at a sudden noise or become annoyed by a noise. The only difference is I focus too much on anticipating when a sudden noise might occur, while an NT will forget that the sudden noise is going to occur and only jump when it does happen. .


My daughter had (still has) auditory/noise sensitivity to certain sources/frequencies. I think for her it's some weird conditioning over time linked to some event in her childhood (kind of thing Freud would have said) and the specific noise.

For NTs a negative association with a sudden noise might be more linked to personality type (jittery/jumpy/nervous disposition) or PTSD linked to trauma in the past.



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13 Feb 2022, 4:16 am

The Signs of Neurotypical Spectrum Disorder – A Parody

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13 Feb 2022, 4:51 am

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Eh, I hate those. I know they're supposed to be funny and all that and usually I do have a sense of humour but for some reason this offends me.


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13 Feb 2022, 5:44 am

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what does "everyone is a little bit autistic" refer to?

I'm surprised that you haven't come across this.
It's a typical response when talking about autism with NTs.
A way of belittling I suppose, "your problems aren't any worse than any others".

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I have heard it before but people refused to explain what they actually meant by it.

"your problems aren't any worse than any others"?
my response would be: "we all have problems but in different ways".



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13 Feb 2022, 5:45 am

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Eh, I hate those. I know they're supposed to be funny and all that and usually I do have a sense of humour but for some reason this offends me.

Yeah exactly. It doesn't take things seriously!



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13 Feb 2022, 5:50 am

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no problem interacting with peers or having conversation
no noticeable speech delays as children
no sensory issues, such as not being able to tolerate crowds, loud noises, or being too hot or too cold
the ability to adapt to change "
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While NTs aren't as noise sensitive as I am, they sometimes can be. They can jump at a sudden noise or become annoyed by a noise. The only difference is I focus too much on anticipating when a sudden noise might occur, while an NT will forget that the sudden noise is going to occur and only jump when it does happen.

A lot of NTs don't actually like crowds. One Christmas Eve the supermarket was buzzing with life at 2am with thousands of people that were trying to avoid the Christmas rush. They failed it by all having the same idea but thinking the idea is unique to each shopper. So they still ended up getting stressed with each other in the crowds, while during the day on Christmas Eve the store was practically empty, with only elderly people or other people that are clever and think outside the box. I know because people wrote it on Facebook. "Just got back from Tesco, it was manic in there at 2 o'clock in the morning! Stressful, glad to be back!"

Also my dad is NT but hates crowds and so he's started doing his grocery shopping online - something he never wanted to get into.

Wouldn't a person with ASD be even bader at dealing with crowds?



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13 Feb 2022, 6:01 am

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Eh, I hate those. I know they're supposed to be funny and all that and usually I do have a sense of humour but for some reason this offends me.

Yeah exactly. It doesn't take things seriously!


I think it's just written by angry Aspies who think they are superior to NTs. I fail to see the "joke".


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13 Feb 2022, 3:17 pm

Joe90 wrote:
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Eh, I hate those. I know they're supposed to be funny and all that and usually I do have a sense of humour but for some reason this offends me.

Yeah exactly. It doesn't take things seriously!


I think it's just written by angry Aspies who think they are superior to NTs. I fail to see the "joke".


Agree just a way of venting their frustrations i guess


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13 Feb 2022, 3:38 pm

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NT disease, there is no cure. :(



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Sorry, you are entitled to your opinion but this is somewhat distorted.


Ya think ? :lol:
Yeah distorted would be my opinion on the matter too.
NT are not the repository of everything wrong with humanity.
And ND are not paragons of virtue that are being oppressed by evil NT's.
That's a rather immature viewpoint, born out of frustration and misunderstanding.


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13 Feb 2022, 3:45 pm

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NTs are full of problems. Who are we trying to kid here? Though not all NTs have the following problems, the following problems exist are almost exclusively found in NTs:

-Submitting to peer pressure to do stupid, sometimes life-threatening things like drug use at parties, drinking contests, fraternity hazing, car-hopping and taking selfies while standing near the edge of a cliff.

-Causing two-mile highway bottlenecks because they slammed on the brakes to stare at a car parked on the shoulder, or at a cop issuing a ticket off on the shoulder, or some other trite, inane event that their little minds MUST STARE AT.

-Over reactions, freaking out, panicking, screaming during an emergency or crisis instead of keeping calm, cool and collected and acting tactically.

I can go on and on, and I mean ON AND ON AND ON.

Majority doesn't mean "normal."

Though many NTs have it all together, this is also true of some with mild autism. Yes, I can live with my aversion to stickers and tags. This aversion manifests at HOME, and if someone were to observe it from far away, they'd think I was severely crippled with something. But after spending 20 minutes removing stickers from my new broom handle, I can still go into the community and save the day.

I've known NTs who completely fall apart under stress and in other circumstances carry on like complete idiots. But because they're 95% of the population, they get to dictate what's "normal" and what's not.


If given the opportunity back in HS to submit to peer pressure in a way I thought would make people think I was cooler I probably would have certainly considered it, but I was mostly ostracized through highschool I kind of felt like a ghost sometimes.

I don't drive currently but I probably would not slam on the breaks to look at cops pulling someone over or accidents, though I'd still probably glance if I could do so safely. But I doubt everyone who'd slam breaks irresponsibly to gawk would be NT.

The one time I was 'calm' and 'cool' throughout an emergency, turns out I wasn't I was just experiencing Dissociation so it just felt that way. Sure I didn't visibly freak out or anything, but I was freaked out enough for my brain to just partially shut down. I certainly did not handle it more tactically then the NTs, I still have PTSD symptoms over it.

So yeah, I disagree that those are NT specific issues, ND people can certainly experience those to.


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13 Feb 2022, 3:51 pm

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Yeah distorted would be my opinion on the matter too.
NT are not the repository of everything wrong with humanity.


I think there's different versions of "normal" but one of the posters here used "social consensus" which is broadly correct but infact masks the actual diversity of lifestyles and subcultures that exist in NT society.



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13 Feb 2022, 8:09 pm

I would like to remind you that if it weren't for NT people, we wouldn't be in such s****y situation when it comes to pandemic now. All it took to slow the crawl of the virus initially was for everyone practice social distancing and sit on their asses at home for a month or so. But nope, people NEEDED to go out and meet with others, because they couldn't stand being isolated. They NEEDED to fly over to tropical destinations for vacation, because it was critical for their well-being. Disease has been spread all over the world because of how NTs' people brains are wired to function in groups.

This applies to other things too. HIV, for example, why it have been spreading so fast in the 80's? Because people just couldn't restrain from having unprotected sex. Condoms were proven way of preventing transmissions of STDs and that should be reason to use them alone, but when two people want to get some action, rational thinking is cut off and genitalia take over.

What about things which ruin our planet like fast-fashion, for example? This is based on exploitative marketing strategies targeting NT people, not ND ones. It is taking advantage of drive towards being popular, relevant for others. Based on FOMO - "omg, everyone is having those kicks but me, I want them too!". The need to mark your social status and impress others by what you wear and look like.

Have you heard about lootboxes, microtransactions and progression systems in most popular online game nowadays? Again, the same story - irrelevant, digital crap is making tons of cash for corporations because NTs are desperately trying to "look cool" even though it bears no functional difference in game. Furthermore, many of these mechanics exploit "reward loop" which is an increase of dopamine levels when getting something new and shiny.

They constantly need to prove their relevance by stupid consumerism. Doesn't matter that their car is working perfectly, does the job of getting them from point A to B. They need new one to make statement of their wealth. They need a car with more powerful engine, even though speed limits are the same no matter how fast one's car can go. They need a new gaming console, even though they have a backlog of like hundred or so games they barely played, if ever, on their older systems. They need a new TV, because it comes with some additional bells and whistles, even though the old one still works perfectly fine. They absolutely must buy a ton of cheap, low quality, plastic gadgets that will end up on landfill sooner or later. This compulsory behaviour of getting things to "stay relevant" is literally destroying our planet.

The need to "blend in" is so drastic that many NT people will go any lengths to stay on good terms with those who surround them. They'll put aside their beliefs, they'll drink alcohol, take drugs and engage in self-destructive, dangerous and reckless behaviours. They prefer to be liked than to be right and stay true to themselves.

The fear of being alone is making them get into and staying in toxic and abusive relationships, be it with love interests or their friends. They feel that it is better to be treated like trash by person by their side, than to live alone with dignity.

Empathy? Pffft, far from what they claim it to be, this is just a shallow basic instinct directed towards who they know, who they feel familiar with and what they like, in most NTs. Rather than stemming from rational thought process about morality and humanism. Thus, you have people who cry when they see when a dog is being hurt, but are indifferent when they see a homeless person freezing to death on the street. Getting sad and crying when they got treated badly, but having no problem whatsoever when it comes to doing the same to other people. Claiming to be full of empathy, but judging less fortunate in life as "lazy" and "not working enough". People who engage in community, helping their neighbours, but think bombing Syria is the right thing to do and so is pushing back boats full of refugees coming over Mediterranean sea to Europe, effectively dooming them to death by drowning.

No, NTs aren't everything what is wrong with humanity. But humans, as a whole species, are still largely driven by basic instincts which formed back when we've lived in small groups competing for food, shelter and other resources. A lot of this stuff is an unwanted baggage at this point in time, but it still does affect how people function. Instead of trying to combat these tendencies with reasoning, stopping for a while and asking themselves "wait, is it objectively the best approach?" NTs are considering them "normal". Of course, given that their herd instinct is in no way suppressed and they follow it blindly, they tend to think that everyone functioning differently is dysfunctional and either want to "help them" or reject them and act with hostility. A whole lot of what's wrong with the world today would disappear if NTs would decide to reject many parts of what makes them "normal" instead of acting based of instincts which kept our species alive back when saber-toothed tigers hunted our ancestors.

Do I consider myself superior to NTs? No, because I do not view this matter through higher importance of one person over another. This is more of a question which system of values and way of processing and reacting to reality is more justified and optimal than another. My morality framework causes me to reject the idea of elevating oneself above others as something distasteful - when enough people start to think like this, you get things like ethnocides. I also know my limitations and realise when I am disadvantaged compared to NTs.

Question is, do I care? Most of the time, not. I do view many things which are done by NTs as unimportant and irrelevant. And I wouldn't swap places with them, ever. I do not want to be NT, I prefer to be AS. In this "battle of ideas" I chose to side with one which I consider the overall better option.

I only wish that NTs would be so willing to learn something from people like me as, they are willing to convince us that we should learn something from them.



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13 Feb 2022, 8:40 pm

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Yeah distorted would be my opinion on the matter too.
NT are not the repository of everything wrong with humanity.


I think there's different versions of "normal" but one of the posters here used "social consensus" which is broadly correct but infact masks the actual diversity of lifestyles and subcultures that exist in NT society.

I'm aware of how subcultures exists in NT societies and how multiple ways some may interact with one another.

Too complicated to explain.
I don't have the energy to go into details myself, nor verbal skills to write it concisely how it is in fewer and in more accurate words.


:twisted: Your issues is with the ignorant aspies who thinks NTs are the source of all human problems.

Personally, I'd tell them "why NTs are doing it" is because of how the majority of humans are conditioned to do it, with few modifications in between, usually through households and proximity.

This is the incoming flow from society to individual.
Not the usual outcoming flow as to how an individual transitions into a subculture.

That human nature itself has this vulnerability with this cause and effect.


Teaching them about subcultures and how diverse and complex NT societies are would be pointless IMO.
Unless they like to travel, or is prospecting to find a subculture more understanding of their own circumstance.

Every individuals has a story and how they'd end up in said subculture would be a moot point to their inquiry of "why NTs are doing it".


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13 Feb 2022, 8:45 pm

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Yeah distorted would be my opinion on the matter too.
NT are not the repository of everything wrong with humanity.


I think there's different versions of "normal" but one of the posters here used "social consensus" which is broadly correct but infact masks the actual diversity of lifestyles and subcultures that exist in NT society.

I'm aware of how subcultures exists in NT societies and how multiple ways some may interact with one another.

Too complicated to explain.
I don't have the energy to go into details myself, nor verbal skills to write it concisely how it is in fewer and in more accurate words.


:twisted: Your issues is with the ignorant aspies who thinks NTs are the source of all human problems.

Personally, I'd tell them "why NTs are doing it" is because of how the majority of humans are conditioned to do it, with few modifications in between, usually through households and proximity.

This is the incoming flow from society to individual.
Not the usual outcoming flow as to how an individual transitions into a subculture.

That human nature itself has this vulnerability with this cause and effect.


Teaching them about subcultures and how diverse and complex NT societies are would be pointless IMO.
Unless they like to travel, or is prospecting to find a subculture more understanding of their own circumstance.

Every individuals has a story and how they'd end up in said subculture would be a moot point to their inquiry of "why NTs are doing it".


Agree with everything you said.



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14 Feb 2022, 5:17 am

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Eh, I hate those. I know they're supposed to be funny and all that and usually I do have a sense of humour but for some reason this offends me.

Yeah exactly. It doesn't take things seriously!


I think it's just written by angry Aspies who think they are superior to NTs. I fail to see the "joke".

The thing is: I talked with an "aspie" who said that he did not understand what a meltdown was. To me it soundef so weird. The thing that was the most difficult thing about ASD and he did not even experience it himself...but then we discussed this with a professional who said that it is about extreme, ie either meltdown or freeze. That other peerson only experience the freeze (getting depressed).
A lot of time even "aspies" won't understand you.
It is not about us (ASD) and them (NT) and "Aspies" are a very heterogenous group.
And "NT people" often have the same problem as we have.



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14 Feb 2022, 5:41 am

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Eh, I hate those. I know they're supposed to be funny and all that and usually I do have a sense of humour but for some reason this offends me.

Yeah exactly. It doesn't take things seriously!


I think it's just written by angry Aspies who think they are superior to NTs. I fail to see the "joke".


A lot of time even "aspies" won't understand you.
It is not about us (ASD) and them (NT) and "Aspies" are a very heterogenous group.
And "NT people" often have the same problem as we have.


I generally find people from neuro-diversity group, no matter what condition affects themselves, to be more understanding than NTs. Why? Usually they can relate and have some level of knowledge on how differently someone's brain can function in comparison to those of general population. NTs don't care to learn and/or understand most of the time.