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11 Aug 2007, 12:59 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
BTW Mitch,

Why are you so against aspies? Your profile says you are diagnosed. Are you? !



the profile designation defaults to 'Aspie, Diagnosed' and unless you are really watching it , it will default back when everyou are in there doing something else. It is a full time job keeping it to say anything else.


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11 Aug 2007, 1:20 am

sinsboldly wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
BTW Mitch,

Why are you so against aspies? Your profile says you are diagnosed. Are you? !



the profile designation defaults to 'Aspie, Diagnosed' and unless you are really watching it , it will default back when everyou are in there doing something else. It is a full time job keeping it to say anything else.


YEAH, I know! I thought I was going nuts the first time, the second made it clear. THAT is why I am not bothering to change it, and why I asked mitch.



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11 Aug 2007, 1:38 am

Mitch8817 wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Mitch,

DEFEND meltdowns? NO! HEY, I do so much better when they DON'T occur, that the deficits when they occur do NOT cancel out the benefits Besides, how does that one thing make me less able than an NT?


What benefits? The benefits of having a meltdown?
It makes you less able then an NT because typically, NT's don't get meltdowns.


Gee, we covered them, and they vary. YEAH! And Stepper moters run slower than regular ones, and lower frequencies are slower than high ones. So WHY are STEPPER motors used in DNC devices? They are more precise, and easier to control. Higher frequencies may actually STOP things! And when they made faster computers, they added WAIT STATES! THAT slows things down ALSO, but it is so the faster things can still run at high speed!

Some times, things just AREN'T so cut and dried!

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2ukenkerl wrote:
Not heard of them as being diagnostic criteria? You haven't bothered looking! 8O :?


I was referring to NT's - they don't have a diagnostic criteria, and those things I listed aren't prerequisites for being an NT, as they are for being an Aspie (which was my point).


So?

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2ukenkerl wrote:
BTW SOME have more a disability than I do. Labpet, for example. She also has some nice abilities though. And she seems to be kind of happy over all. You know, technology will NEVER allow for anything to be perfect. In theory it just won't happen. Computers, for example. You can get a BIG one that is light for its size, with lots of components, etc... A smaller one would work better on a plane, and use less power and generate less heat. WHICH is better? A GOOD answer is IT DEPENDS! Aspie or NT? WHICH is better? AGAIN, that famous answer.


I realise that nothing will be perfect, but NT's function that bit bitter. They can adapt, change, show empathy, use and understand body language etc. etc. We can't. We are disadvantaged. I'm tired of repeating myself.


Adapt?????? I wish they WOULD! CHANGE???? SO, sometimes(OFTEN) the change is for the WORST! Show empathy? Are we talking about the later 20th century and 21st? WHAT PLANET? Use and understand body language? OH, THAT is why they have all those stupid books, and why I got in trouble for flashing a sign that 100% of DOZENS of people I asked in DOZENS of areas and MULTIPLE races, etc... said meant NOTHING!?

Oh well....

Mitch8817 wrote:
In regards to the second post, I am not against Aspies. I said this in my last post on the first line, did you bother reading it? If my profile says I'm diagnosed, than that would mean that I am. Or are you calling me a liar? Jeez, I must be a troll because I'm honest about my feelings and have posted over 2000 times.


NO, I wasn't calling you a liar. I did see it. Gee, don't be so defensive. BTW don't call me a liar if it says I am diagnosed either. It DOES change. BTW I never called you a troll.

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I know that we have benefits, I'm not in denial or trying to beat myself up. I am saying that the benefits are outweighed by the negatives BECAUSE of the way this world is - the expectations and (lack of) understandings. If you doubt this, go take a read in The Haven and get back to me.


I emphasized the part that I have been saying all alone! The defense rests! :lol: :lol: :lol:

And HEY some people have more problems than others, but the usually ARE balanced by other areas. If you feel differently, I wish you the best of luck, and hope you get a pleasant surprise. I'm not trying to annoy you, by the way.



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11 Aug 2007, 8:04 pm

krex wrote:
I see a lot of "aspie pride" here.I have more problems with blatant NT bashing because all NT's are not alike just as all ASers are not alike.To me that is a case of "illussion" that we do not need to sucumb to,just because some in the NT culture do it to us.Two wrongs dont make a right and are based on emotion and not logic.I know I have done it,out of convenience of communicating.I know I dont really mena ....all NT or all AS,when I make generilizations,but an NT who reads about NT's being superfical bigots may not realize that and it is still hurtful.

They are no more at fault for their brain wiring then we are for ours,why do people find it so easy to hate them for something that is beyond their control.My perspective is that their brainwiring causes them a lot of difficulty in accuiring qualitites that I personally respect.They can do it but it is difficult and society doesnt incourage them do to so.It acctually condems them for it.
I know I am not defective.I dont internilize their mesages about my brain being "wrong".I undersand that they really believe this because their brains make it difficult for them to uderstand my brain.Hating someone one does not actually empower you.It's a reactionary situation that results in sapping your power.So why bother hating NT's for what we perceive as "brain damage"?I think it is because they are in the majority and get to make the rules.

Sorry,got off on a tangent,lol.I dont think I am defective but my brain is wired in a way that makes it more difficult for me to accomplish as much as I could if the world was arranged around AS brains.So would it be a better world if it was,dont know,never lived in that world.Would be interesting to find out but I'm not holding my breath.




I have to say, that is one of the best posts I have read on this board.

A very small % of "NT's" actually go out of their way to 'hate' someone with asperger's. And you know what? Those same jerks likely bug EVERYONE, not just aspies! The problem is that there are many more NT's so you're likely to run into one that may bully you. But that's not the norm. And their anger could have come from something that the aspie did without knowing it.

Aspies here seem to get mad that NT's don't understand them. And NT's get mad that Aspies don't understand them as well. It runs both ways.


Brains are wired differently. When an aspie laughs right in the middle of a funeral (example read on this site today), they shouldn't hate the NT that got upset. Neither fully understands the other.



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11 Aug 2007, 8:23 pm

Erich wrote:
I have to say, that is one of the best posts I have read on this board.

A very small % of "NT's" actually go out of their way to 'hate' someone with asperger's. And you know what? Those same jerks likely bug EVERYONE, not just aspies! The problem is that there are many more NT's so you're likely to run into one that may bully you. But that's not the norm. And their anger could have come from something that the aspie did without knowing it.

Aspies here seem to get mad that NT's don't understand them. And NT's get mad that Aspies don't understand them as well. It runs both ways.


Brains are wired differently. When an aspie laughs right in the middle of a funeral (example read on this site today), they shouldn't hate the NT that got upset. Neither fully understands the other.


Here, here, Erich. Thank you for being a voice of reason.



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11 Aug 2007, 8:25 pm

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I'm not saying either person is right or wrong, but there is no such thing as a diagnosis of dysparietal (the mirror of dyslexia).


Actually, NLD is pretty much the mirror of dyslexia. Or at least as close as you can get. Trust me- my brother has dyslexia and I have NLD. We complement each other perfectly. We joke that if we could be combined, we'd make one whole, functional person.



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12 Aug 2007, 6:26 am

Here is the short version of what I think.

Each and every one of us is an autonomous adult, equal to any other on the planet in moral worth.

We are definately different, we are also a minority, the "disability" lies in the ways in which our differences are incompatible with their world, workplace and society.

Not our fault, not even their fault (in most cases), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to recognise and fix it within society and within ourselves.

A lot of NT controlled organisations exploit us and our parents/partners/others, often by denigrating, diminishing and even demonising us (check out any of the "partners" organisations lately?) that needs fixing too. Most of us are growing up conditioned to a state where we either play to those derisory perceptions or we will be hung out to dry, in a society we are incompatible with, with no supports whatsoever. So that we often have to effectively sell ourselves and each other out to survive.

First step is to stand up and acknowledge your own worth and autonomy.

The next step may come to you, and if it does, please tell me what it is.

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12 Aug 2007, 6:26 am

Here is the short version of what I think.

Each and every one of us is an autonomous adult, equal to any other on the planet in moral worth.

We are definately different, we are also a minority, the "disability" lies in the ways in which our differences are incompatible with their world, workplace and society.

Not our fault, not even their fault (in most cases), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to recognise and fix it within society and within ourselves.

A lot of NT controlled organisations exploit us and our parents/partners/others, often by denigrating, diminishing and even demonising us (check out any of the "partners" organisations lately?) that needs fixing too. Most of us are growing up conditioned to a state where we either play to those derisory perceptions or we will be hung out to dry, in a society we are incompatible with, with no supports whatsoever. So that we often have to effectively sell ourselves and each other out to survive.

First step is to stand up and acknowledge your own worth and autonomy.

The next step may come to you, and if it does, please tell me what it is.

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12 Aug 2007, 12:26 pm

Erich wrote:
krex wrote:
I see a lot of "aspie pride" here.I have more problems with blatant NT bashing because all NT's are not alike just as all ASers are not alike.


I have to say, that is one of the best posts I have read on this board.

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