Aspie Nation,If we build it will they come?

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There's an aspie island on Second Life. You can get there only by invitation. I have tried, no luck...

http://news.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,3902 ... 061,00.htm

Don't you just love how they call Asperger's a "disease" in this article. That's just so completely shockingly mislabelled, it is actually funny.

Oh, and, I don't know how much of this thread is spoken in jest, but we're aspies, we're usually low on jest, so in all seriousness: I really think we need NT's as much as I am totally convinced the world needs people with autism. We need balance. What we need more than an island of our own is a world of acceptance of the value we both bring and a way to meet halfway in the various manners in which we all find ourselves more comfortable to interact. That would be way better than having our own little planet.

Give and take...

Thanks for the link,OrderAndChaos30,I will check it out.One of the most difficult things with researching intentional communitites is that they are so interesting to me that I get side tracked in the details of each.(basically the same reason every research paper in college was handed in a few weeks late.....sometimes being an aspie is more fun than I can take) .


LadyMahler....I am not a 16 year old pouting because the NT's wont let me play with them.I have never excepted the current society...they just happen to be run by NT's because that group is the majority.For me it is to dishonest,to neurotic,to illogical and way to mean.I dont want to be excepted by the "main-stream" societies because I dont except them.From all the venting I have seen here in the past year,I thought at least half of the members felt the same way.But it has always been easier to sit on your hands and complain about how things are then to get up and try to create an alternative(and risk failing).A few have tried and not many have succeeded,some through faults of their own and some because they were fighting against something much more powerful then themselves, determaned to see the boat "unrocked".This would be a social experiment to see what people with AS can do for themselves when in an environment that values them for their positive traits and helps them with the less possitive ones.

In case I didnt make my personal position clear....I dont dislike all NT's.

Sorry to decline but I got everything I need right here. Also most of my family is NT, and I wouldn't want to leave them behind.

I think honestly what we need is less of trying to isolate ourselves away from NT society but instead making a more of an effort as a community to try to get more awareness out in public that is positive to counteract organizations like Autism Speaks and such that really are only interested in researching for a cure vs. learning to get people to understand us and accept us. That is just my opinion, we as a group of individuals really need to start finding ways to get a more positive image out for ourselves if we ever want to counteract all the negative media out there... even if it's on a small level starting with spreading awareness amongst those that are closest to us. Any little bit helps even if we may not see immediate results. There is very little point to creating a 'nation' if we can't beat the negative stereotypes we already face in the media. And even if a 'commune' or such can be created who says it is the most workable solution generalized for all Aspies? Even amongst our own community there is a great variety of individuals that just because we all have Asperger's wouldn't guarantee that living together and such would always be of the best interests to everyone either. Add on being able to create a self-sustain 'nation' in that we aren't going to be denied what we need as far as natural resources (outside of our intelligence) to be able to survive. Also we have such a vast group of individuals that wouldn't really feel comfortable ascribing to a small group dictating the form of government. A 'nation' can't be built in a day... neither can a community and even within our own community we still have our own conflicts and disagreements. It would be a long drawn out process that would suit the feasibility of a minority but would not likely meet the needs of a majority. Going for a 'minority status' as far as human rights would be more feasible to try to get first because then we could show society that we should be accepted, respected and we're not all anti-social, "Rain Man" stereotyped individuals.

Username88 told me that Inventor had some land in New Orleans he was willing to use, or something. Then all we have to do is declare independance as a nation, with lots of riots, petitioning all important people and organizations in the world, getting them and others to sign the petition for us to be an independant nation, etc.

Yeah just what we need to do to get more positive awareness for ourselves... riot... that likely will have the opposite effect but... yeah... even if it was feasible, it'd take years.

The jews managed to pull it off. They have a place of their own.

I'm not impressed with a lot of what went on, and a lot of what's going on now, but they managed to pull it off.

A lot of people said it couldn't happen. They weren't the ones who made it happen.

Why can't we build the commune near Wichita Falls (about 115 miles west of the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex)?

Tim

This idea is about as far from me as you can get. We have little in common.

I agree with MishLuvsHer2Boys. Getting a group consensus will not happen. Only small and local works, getting along with one person at a time. WP works for everyone. But we all have very different economic realities. "We", cannot vote on what painters will paint, writers will write.

Survival is as personal as it gets, and mutual support is useful. It can only work when the group has common goals, shares common risks, that bind them together for group survival.

In my limited world I print books, fine art prints, and try to help more writers, painters get published. The arts are one place we do have a positive image. I own the means of production, and it was not easy to come by. It is working, in that I am expanding, so that I can have an offset press.

This is my life's work and bank account. My last business was lost in the New Orleans flood, so I am starting over. I am not the only one who seeks to survive through hard work and investment.

We do seem to get along reasonably well with each other. Web Business is neurodivirsity blind. People who buy my books on ebay do not think I am strange. In person they would. How is it that our great problems vanish, when we are all just people on WP, or behind a business where we do not deal directly with the public?

We are little different than the majority. Many have said that WP is more civil, more intelligent, than most of the web.I can live with that. WP is also a great service, was to me, great for parents, they get to meet older aspies, and the fear of what their child will become vanishes. Even NTs like us, when they have to deal with us.

We need more positive interaction. Publishing lets us be heard by a wider public. Writers are obsessive researchers, Mitchner, and people do not want to read about their neighbor drinking beer and watching sports, they read to gain a wider view of life. In print, our "other" view of life sells.

Our publishing group does have AS in common. We also have economics in common. Publishing is not cheap. 1500 copies of a small book can run $10,000. Pre press, editing, art work, can add a lot more, and it takes time. Then comes marketing.

The good is if the print run sells out, for that recovers the cost, and the second printing becomes profitable.

If it sells in the thousands the writer will be happy, if Oprah likes it it will sell in the hundreds of thousands.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "Freedom of the press applies to those who own one."

A publishing house prints many, in hopes of one best seller. Digital printing is changing the industry. It is now possible to do short runs, and test market, before the expense of an offset run.

I write, and found it was cheaper to start a publishing house than to pay for someone else to produce it. I also have a talent with machines, computers, and spending money.

I do not want to leave the world, that is where the customers are. Each publishing house seeks a type of writer. A place where their marketing works. AS chose me, and there you jolly well are.

There is room to expand, we have no riot department, but do have IT, construction, and a need for other services.

Since AS prevades the workplace, we have an other reality. It works for us.

Customers and investors are welcome, we are seeking more people, but ones that fit our other reality.

So far everyone is investing their lives, money, machines, skills. There are no employees.

We are a community of mutual support based on equal exchange.

Building on what we are good at, having our own media, we can reach many. I am very well read, (in some fields) and I never heard of AS till a few months ago.

I am pro AS, I like it. It is useful once you get the hang of it. I do not think a cure is possible.

We have our good points, for one I found like minded people to work with, before WP I was a culture of one. Publishing is growing, I can offer support to writers and artists, and I think their work will reflect well on all of us.

It is just a business, part of the greater economic reality. Our differance is we speak AS, can do business without eye contact and hand shaking, and are most likely stranger than you are.

It's a nice idea but if you do a google on 'utopias' you'll find that many have tried and failed. there are closed religious communitites that work, but how would you know who is genuinely aspie and who is fake and just wants a refuge? in the end there has to be rules and some form of authority, so it's not going to be that different from wider society, you're just going to encounter more aspies than usual.

I imagine we'd have no more trouble spotting them than they have spotting us.

Please read the first post. This is a private business. It runs in the real world.

It is all aspie, and they are very structured, rule following, law abiding, hard working people who just want what everyone does. Small business is far from utopian.

The Mother Ship just dropped me off to prepare some of you for return. The home planet does not want you back till you have training in the ways and economy of our people.

The home world has a very high standard of living based on intelligence, labor, investment, and education.
Computers and machines do almost all the work, and the human economy has only the arts and knowledge, where they are superior to machines.

You were left here to push this planet in the direction of machines doing the work and humans the creative. Over the last few hundred years all science and invention has been aspies making this change. Food was produced by a man with a mule, now it is machines, all labor has been replaced.

Stage two is post information age, knowledge and creativity forming a human economy. Look around, the factories are closed, machines make machines, rote work is done by computers.

Humans do have a few skills that will survive. They can turn information into knowledge, then apply that knowledge in a creative way that no machine ever will.

Machines have liberated publishing. They will never be the writers, painters, designers, the creative part is reserved for humans. It is not for groups, the product of a single mind is creative. Look upon the writers and painters of the last hundred years, they created whole fields of art from a single mind.

This was another aspie field. Science fiction prepared us for the rapidly changing future. This time, when human knowledge doubles in a year. Soon, when all manufacturing happens in China, all land is farmed or lived on, there is not enough fresh water to go around, the oil reserves are depleted, so power and transportation become expensive, what then of a human economy?

We need just what we are good at, creative thinking, and that has to connect to other humans, so only the visions of art and writing can guide us. There is a flood of information, more than can be turned into knowledge. We can never catch up. Only the impressions of a few can sum it up and make it understandable.

My business is to provide the support, the machines, the knowledge, to bring out those voices. Through books, prints, animation, one mind can speak to many. The media industry is a lowest common denominator market. They seek mass markets.

I sell books that may only sell thousands over twenty years, but they do sell. Small markets, new writers, painters, are ignored. That is the market I target. It is the voice of the future.

I have the means of production. Others have joined with me. It has been going on for years. It is growing.

It is for single minds that wish to develop, nothing else.

I wish you all the best in your plans and dreams. You have poured your hearts out and I hope some will join you to make the dream a reality.

I know of some NT's who would like to support.

Robyn

i use too think i was some type of space trash hans solo type who scorned the leaders and was sentenced to life on earth and had my memory whiped
i think im hear to pick up information

Hi krex,
Finally got around to putting in my 2 cents. I have been giving this plan a lot of thought. I'm retired but, like Dennis Hopper say's, I'm not ready to turn my dreams over to the authorities. I think it's a fascinating idea and really, what do I have to lose by at least giving it some serious consideration. I'd like to check this place out. I've been itching to take a train ride. I wouldn't make a move such as this without my husband. He's retired also, but has spent over 45 years in the printing industry, a top of the line binderyman. He's just all around amazing, he fixes everything, we never have to call a repair man. He's put up with my shinanigans all these years, (he just thought I ws crazy but he liked me that way ). When I told him I had Asperger's it was no big deal, it was just like "yeah, whatever". I guess you could call him Aspie friendly. He knows how to work on motorcycles too, the old ones at least. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I am supportive of this idea, I don't think it's crazy, I think it's awesome. I will pm you.
Cosmiccat