Are you an Aspie if you want to be one?

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08 Sep 2007, 7:29 pm

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I can't understand why anyone would WANT to be ostracized, bullied and ridiculed for being "different" I'm old (mid 40's) so I guess I'm not "hip" so is it actually "Trendy" now to be AS or autistic???? Do I really get to believe that my 6 year old autistic daughter will not be tormented in High School? That would really take a load off my mind.



It's very simple, really.

Nobody wants to be different, but when a person goes through life being different but never has a good understanding of why, when family and teachers and friends have all these ordinary expectations which are unrealistic for him without help, and when he has no idea what sort of help he might need....then the diagnosis says that yes, your life can make sense. It can be a relief to know you are not alone, that you are not an isolated freak and you might have more ways to cope or compensate.....and yes a community of people on the computer et cetera.

For goodness' sake! There might be poseurs somewhere, not too many.

The reason there are adults looking for this diagnosis is that they want confirmation that here is an explanation for the difficult lives they are living, and even hope that they might do a bit better.

We've been struggling along, trying to act nt, adapting, even adapting somewhat successfully (tho in my case the fact is my family has always helped, I've only had a job for about 6 years and I'm 54. I'm not lazy either.)

If you were diagnosed in high school or earlier you might not know what it is like to go through all these difficulties without even knowing what to expect. Having the diagnosis doesn't cause the condition. And when somebody can say to you, "hold on! this is what you have to watch out for if you want to have a conversation with people in your family or people you just met" or if you just want to meet people who have a clue what is going on, it helps a great deal if you can put a name to the condition.

When I was in elementary school I was brought to the Yale Child Guidance Center for therapy. That was in '61 or '62. That was helpful, but after that all I heard was that I must be lazy, that I needed to conform, to learn how to catch and throw and ride a bike. I didn't have a clue. And I was bullied, I stood out, I was abused. I was confused and unable to keep friends. This is not a whim or something that sort of fits. In my case at least Ive already had the lifetime of misery, and a lifetime of dreams and unrealistic expectations and failures. I could feel plenty sorry for myself and I have, too.

I'm so lucky to have financial support from my family but they never could sit down and explain to me what my problems are, why I need their financial help, and I haven't really felt like I could belong, I felt like a burden. They always said I had an incredible mind but they never wanted my opinion about anything and I didn't know how to talk with them.

It just comes down to this, the diagnosis doesn't change who you are, but if your life doesn't make any damn sense it's nice to find out anything that can help you understand what's going on!! !! It's good to have wp to rant in.



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08 Sep 2007, 7:33 pm

I never asked to be an Aspie; I was born this way, but I just make the most of it and try to use my skills to my advantages, like I read about online. Just make the most out of what you have and all will be ok. I don't plan on doing anything to alter what I have even if there was a cure for Asperger's I wouldn't take it as I like the way Asperger's had made me today.



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08 Sep 2007, 7:36 pm

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I have to agree with emergingartist. Get a grip, people. There's no AS fad, and having asperger's is not fashionable :s

What you do have, is a lot of 30 and 40-year olds who didn't have a chance to get diagnosed when they were younger, and are only discovering the "checklist" now. Does that mean they're wannabes and posers? I don't think so. I tend to think that anybody who seriously considers such an extreme diagnosis probably has a good reason to.



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08 Sep 2007, 7:37 pm

Are you gay if you want to be gay?

Are you blind if you want to be blind?

Are you socially inept if you want to be socially inept?


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08 Sep 2007, 7:55 pm

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Ok, so if I wanna be a 400 lb. black lesbian, then I am?


Well, yes.

At least in the United States, the federal government does not classify your race for you any more. For the Census (or for other reasons that your race might be recorded), you report what you want to report. You could be a blue-eyed blonde, but if you put down "black", then the federal government has to accept it.

Some state goverments, particularly in the South, might be different. But, for the federal government, you are what you say you are.

To be 400 pounds, well, you might have to eat at McDonalds a lot, but you can get there.

Lesbian? Well, again, that is also up to you.



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08 Sep 2007, 7:57 pm

Are you gay if you want to be gay?

- Yeah, you're probably a bit gay if you want to be gay :p

Are you blind if you want to be blind?

- Nope

Are you socially inept if you want to be socially inept?

- No, I don't think a normal person can fake true "ineptness". You'd have to be a pretty sensational actor.



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08 Sep 2007, 8:28 pm

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I have to agree with emergingartist. Get a grip, people. There's no AS fad, and having asperger's is not fashionable :s

What you do have, is a lot of 30 and 40-year olds who didn't have a chance to get diagnosed when they were younger, and are only discovering the "checklist" now. Does that mean they're wannabes and posers? I don't think so. I tend to think that anybody who seriously considers such an extreme diagnosis probably has a good reason to.


WELL SAID!! !! !! 40+ year old here that only heard about AS a few years ago. I looked at the checklist, and was like ****WOW****! It said things I tried to say but gave up trying to explain.

Did I like it because it explained my social ineptness? OF COURSE! But HECK, it even explains my inability to maintain relationships, reluctance to remember dates, problems with catch, sensitivity to certain pitches, lights, ability to stay in absurdly low temperatures, attitude, etc,,, I actually learned and relearned some things about me. HECK, I remembered going to a psychiatrist when I was a little kid. It turns out I ALSO saw a psychologist. That was because I wasn't interacting with kids.

If it was cheaper, and there was no stigma, you can BET I would have been diagnosed already. If I don't have AS, it is VERY close. MAN is it close. Frankly, I don't know of anything else that is close enough.



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08 Sep 2007, 9:51 pm

I just had a different thought about the whole acting Aspergic thing. It can be used as an excuse to a degree. Lazy unmotivated selfish ppl who haven't made a success of themselves in any way could easily go "I'm autistic; it's not my fault". Which is ironically what my mum thinks I'm doing. But I'm not, btw :P


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08 Sep 2007, 10:13 pm

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I just had a different thought about the whole acting Aspergic thing. It can be used as an excuse to a degree. Lazy unmotivated selfish ppl who haven't made a success of themselves in any way could easily go "I'm autistic; it's not my fault". Which is ironically what my mum thinks I'm doing. But I'm not, btw :P


Well, AS DOES explain why I am not as successful as I could be.(Too honest, too socially inept. Not a good negotiator, etc...) In MY case, I have to work harder to get LOW 6 figures. MEANWHILE, some jerk CLAIMS to "manage" me(in reality they generally do NOTHING), and they make mid to high 6 figures. Someone ELSE parlays that into a high six figures to mid 7 figures sum.

Outside of the dishonesty, inflation, and someone ELSE benefiting from my work more than I am, I am happy and successful.

HEY, a couple people I have spoken with here managed to do better than I do and make themselves over TWICE what I make. I say make themselves, because they pay others still more.

BTW For comparison sake. The average NT on the job makes LOW 5 figures!



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08 Sep 2007, 10:33 pm

I like trick questions. My trick answer is to let God decide. :P



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09 Sep 2007, 3:02 am

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Nobody wants to be different, but when a person goes through life being different but never has a good understanding of why, when family and teachers and friends have all these ordinary expectations which are unrealistic for him without help, and when he has no idea what sort of help he might need....then the diagnosis says that yes, your life can make sense. It can be a relief to know you are not alone, that you are not an isolated freak and you might have more ways to cope or compensate.....and yes a community of people on the computer et cetera.

For goodness' sake! There might be poseurs somewhere, not too many.


QFT.

It's not about being hip. And if bullying is a problem (which it is), it's the bullies that need to change, not us. We may be annoying, weird and socially inept. We are not bad people who deserve to be mistreated.


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09 Sep 2007, 4:54 am

There is a guy on another topic that asked how to study for an AS diagnosis. If that's not someone not AS trying to be AS then I don't know what is.



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10 Sep 2007, 12:34 am

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It is something that I would wish on nobody, not even my worst enemy.

I would not wish Asperger's on my worst enemy either.
I prefer to keep my enemies at as much of a disadvantage as possible.


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10 Sep 2007, 1:25 am

reika wrote:
I can't understand why anyone would WANT to be ostracized, bullied and ridiculed for being "different"


I don't understand why people blame the ostracization, bullying, etc, on the people who are different rather than the people undertaking the actual actions of ostracizing and bullying people.


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10 Sep 2007, 1:30 am

Anyone who wants to have Asperger's Syndrome doesn't have it. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I've learned to accept it and work around it somewhat, but some people apparently have a harder time in doing that.



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10 Sep 2007, 1:30 am

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Well it's important to bear in mind that if you go looking for autism or AS characteristics in people, almost anyone could be called an aspie for one characteristic or another. But it's not a matter of one characteristic, it's mulitple characteristics that act in conjunction with one another. Extremely bad social skills, that's the number one give away (especially for men, if a guy gets women regularly or like a NT, he's probably not aspie). Non-conformist analytical thinking patterns, an individualistic mind, these are traits that belong to the savants (most on here aren't really individual or non-conforming thinkers, otherwise they wouldn't be so "pc" or theocrats, or followers of dogmatic common-man religions), lesser degree aspies are just somewhere in between aspie and NT in the evolutionary cycle. Um, rigid routines and such are often a common characteristic throughout the spectrum.
But yeah, if you go looking for characteristics in people you'll undoubtedly find some, even if theyr exagerated. It's kinda like when you were a kid and you were scared to go to bed because of a monster under your bed, so when you hear a bump or the house settling, you make yourself think it's "the monster".... It's kinda the same concept.
I am an aspie, honestly, it is VERY rare I cross paths with another aspie in real life, unless I went to an autism meeting or something.


Aspie "traits" vs social misfunction is the key to the difference. Yeah, we all have neurotic little things, but how NTs cope is a whole different thing. I just think AS is different and dealing with NT ways of the world cracks on self esteem. Really, if the world can accommodate to left handed and right handed people, can't the world accept different ways of processing, interpreting and thinking in people? Is it evolution to think differently? There is such a lack of awareness in the NT world. As surprised as and AS may be to an NT comment or action, ditto for us. But we just don’t know AS exists. NTs live in their own little world. AS have to adapt. Perhaps if NT knew anything about AS and all the undiagnosed AS found out they have a name to their differentness, being AS and different brained would compliment the lacking in society and the workforce.

Sorry, I just get so mad that I never knew, and no one knows…