Since When Do Vaccines have MERCURY in Them?!

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Yeah, I knew about thimerosal. We're being poisoned in so many ways it's insane.

This is a myth. Mercury is no longer used in vaccines. In the late middle ages, however, people drank it like gatorade if they could afford it.

Personally, I blame Rome, and it's time we held the Papists accountable for their actions.

Thimerosal has been phased out in most places. Yes, mercury is neurotoxic - at high enough doses (enough water will kill you by drowning). Also, the chemical context matters, did you know that the fillings commonly used by dentists are partly made of mercury (amalagam - a mixture of mercury and silver i think)? The neurotoxicity of mercury in amalgam is far less than that of the same amount of mercury in pure form; likewise, mercury in dimethyl mercury is far more toxic than the same amount of mercury in elemental form. Giving children vaccines with thimerosal is NOT the same as giving them elemental mercury, anymore than teeth fillings are like putting elemental mercury in your mouth.
There is no actual evidence that the mercury content of vaccines was high enough to cause problems.

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html will give you the COMPLETE list of all ingredients vaccines contain.

OK, but you're talking about mercury in vaccines in this thread. My post just pointed out that the connection between current children's vaccines and autism is bunk. Prenatal mercury exposure is a topic unto itself.

And don't get me wrong, I think the body burdens of toxic chemicals and elements are a huge health concern. I'm glad they've removed thimoseral from children's vaccines, and I hope they remove it from all vaccines. There is absolutely no reason to expose ourselves to toxic heavy metals deliberately. If this thread was about the dangers of lead or phthalates, I'd be agreeing with you 100%. However, I do not support the autism = mercury theory. The scientific evidence isn't there, and its used by quacks to convince parents to perform expensive, painful chelation treatments on children and to forgo vaccinations that are necessary to prevent their children and the greater public from potentially fatal diseases.

Looks to me like an activist site, probably with either Objectivist or Libertarian proclivities. The former are quaint but lacking in substance. The latter are just plain stupid.

Listen, JJstar, I don't appreciate name-calling here when I'm not the one posting multiple threads about mercury. One of the links you provided is at least 2 years old and you are talking about a subject that has changing information.
Thimersol was taken out of vaccines the numbers of diagnoses are not going down. Studies have been done to show that there is no credible link between autism and thimersol or autism and vaccines.
I provided an example of well-documented mercury poisoning in population. You didn't even bother to respond to it. You keep repeating the same stuff.
I didn't say the thread was old, I said this topic is old. As in it has been brought up time and time again. It's not news that thimersol was put in vaccines. It is not any longer. Flu shots are not routine in this country and I believe you can ask for thimersol-free vaccines.

Even if there were any credible evidence or proof that thimersol directly or indirectly caused autism or Asperger's, so what?! We're mostly adults here, already got our shots. Our kids already got their shots. What's the point? What's going to change if we find out that shots given to us 10, 20, 35 years ago gave us a neurological difference? Most adults don't get boosters so I don't see why this is being thrown at us like a big conspiracy.

Do they have power in Japan? In England? In Canada? No. Read the studies done there. Japan pulled all vaccines for 10 years in the 80's and 90's while they researched it. During that time, the incidences of autism doubled. There's a correlation for you. Maybe the vaccines help prevent autism. Hahah. Anyways, their studies found that methylmercury (the preservative) is much weaker than ethylmercury and mercury itself which have been shown to cause MINOR mental retardation. What people are saying is illogical. If methylmercury is far weaker, how can it possibly cause far more severe mental issues? Autism is increasing because first of all, medical professionals are now not only recognizing all 5 kinds of autism, but the spectrum of it (mild through severe) where as before it was mainly severely affected people were diagnosed. Secondly, hello, the number of people on earth has increased...of course disabilities are going to increase if there are more people born.

Here's one for you to think on. There is a very common chemical found in every day things that very badly affects autistics...gluten. It goes straight into the blood, then goes to the brain where it sits on it and affects it as opium would. There is a chemical to remove from a child's life. Life without gluten will not kill a child. Catching the measles very well may.

I wish I could remember this quote that basically said since the inception of the wisdom of the ancients, nothing new has been discovered by modern science, if anything it's a cheap rendition of the original Teachings. When they threw out the Creator, they basically also bode farewell to Understanding. So if they haven't been able to come up with a link between the element Mercury and Neurological disorders such as Autism - that hardly means it doesn't exist - it just means it hasn't been discovered yet. And it will. Till it does, people still have the ability to make educated choices based on the knowledge that ~is~ out there - and that is to vaccinate or not to vaccinate.

The information, regardless is still very much relative. But you know what - when I have the time I will post mind-blowing facts on mercury and how its deposits find their way into brain pockets, staying there throughout one's lifetime, causing breaks, degeneration, scar-tissue and basic POISONING of the entire system.


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Mercury is still being ingested on all fronts - food, air, water, land - it's in your Made in China products, it's in your fish, in your Chardonney and in the pharmaceuticals you down. It's everywhere. You can't get away from it unless you remove yourself from it - physically - and live on a remote tropical island.





Oh *studies* - them. The very ones where they splice open mice and cats and try out all kinds of Frankensteinian experiments hoping to hit on *something - anything*? Those studies? The ones where they can't even figure out WHAT AUTISM IS? Oh ~those~ studies. Yeah. Tell me about them.....




Old topic? Good. As long as there are no answers - clear-cut or otherwise it warrants investigation and who better to investigate but those AFFLICTED and AFFECTED first hand...? Eh?




From where I come from human life is precious - and EVERYTHING that has to do with maintaining health MATTERS.



Because it's exactly what it is. Plain and simple.

David Ayoub, M.D. goes through the relations of Mercury to Autism as well its connections to “National Security Study Memorandum 200”; for population control. Showing its shocking connections to today’s G.A.V.I. Are powerful forces really trying to help the poor people or could it be for another agenda; the sterilization of the poor? This is an upsetting video, so brace yourself.

http://video.google.com/url?docid=68901 ... cSc_H2o-hg

You wont find these 'mind-blowing facts' about ethylmercury because they don't exist. Ethylmercury *doesn't* bioaccululate. Ethylmercury can leave the human system. Ethylmercury is not the same as methylmercury.

Mercury is everywhere and even living on a remote tropical island you'll still come across it. Grow up a little and stop this ridiculous game of trying to act like your right. We proved you wrong on two threads, now accept it and move on.

Your common points aren't universally common. You just listed stuff I don't ingest and many people can't afford to ingest or buy. Let alone how uncommon breastfeeding has been until the 90's. Most of us Americans were bottlefed. Because it was common and because many of us had traumatic births and couldn't be breastfed. Yet autism exists. And you still never addressed the already known effects of mercury poisoning. It's-not-a-hidden-secret! AFter centuries of people misusing mercury (aka quick silver) we know what it does to a body and the environment.
The fact that you won't respond to that speaks volumes. You have an agenda.
Dr. Ayoub has an agenda. The people who insist that vaccines cause autism want to win that lawsuit against the gov't, that's an agenda driven by greed. They want to blame someone other than their ownself. 50 years ago, a crackpot fraud, Bruno Bettleheim, blamed "refrigerator mothers" for autism. That autism was caused by pyschic injury due to mothers' desire to kill their own children.
Now there are people calling themselves doctors that chelate children to get the mercury out. Only chelation is for lead poisoning, not mercury. Lead poisoning is also well-documented and is a medical emergency, not a passing learning disability.
And don't talk about studies being unreliable or fraudulent when there are no studies showing evidence of a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. What makes your information reliable when the gov't's information is not reliable???? Your perspective, your agenda and your belief.

you badly overestimate conspiracy theorists if you expect them to understand that ethylmercury, methyl mercury, dimethyl mercury, elemental mercury, amalgam, etc. are different substances with very different properties, including different toxicities, though they all contain mercury. They don't even seem able to tell the difference between lead and mercury for that matter (hence the use of chelation, treatment for lead poisoning, for autism according to them caused by mercury poisoning).
Notice too that they will trust scientists when they say that lead paint is dangerous for kids - but not when they say vaccines are safe. They trusted the peer-reviewed literature when one study was published saying autism was linked to vaccines, but not when many studies proved that study wrong. They trusted the Lancet when it published that study, but not when it published the retractions. If it agrees with their prejudices, they will trust it instantly, if not, then its just evil people part of the conspiracy going about their nefarious work.
Let's also talk about real conflicts of interest: the main author of that study was working for lawyers working for families that wanted to sue pharmaceutical companies for supposedly making their children autistic. But conspiracy theorists only believe in greed in people that disagree with them. Of course, if pharmaceutical companies were powerful enough to rig all the peer-reviewed literature in all sorts of countries, then nobody would ever sue them successfully for anything.
Now we have a video that 'proves' all these cosnpiracy theories - a mere internet video with somebody going on about these things has about as much credibility for me as a Hollywood film. But let's talk about real evidence:

fact 1: many countries have phased out thimerosal.
fact 2: the incidence of reported autism in these countries has soared - it was rising when thimerosal was used and kept on rising once it was no longer used.

Now, is it just me or should the incidence have fallen or at least stopped rising once its 'cause' was removed?

Yes, those studies. I have gone to the professors at my university to beg them to do frankensteinian experiments on me with no success, so I will have to learn to hack my genes on my own. If I turn into a brain-absorbing monster, however, I will be paying them a visit.

I can't figure out what autism is, either, and I'm a mad savant. Give them some some time.

Where I come from, human life tastes good with a little garlic and salt.

You have won me as a friend. I will give you hugs and affection when I find you. However, I submit that your theory would be strengthened if you were to subject it to reanalysis. You must perfect it and hone it into a weapon of doom. It will make you strong and powerful.

Could you shorten that please? Like, maybe use the appropriate bb-code for it (there's an insert-link button). Thanks.