22 Nov 2007, 10:01 am
jjstar wrote:
Behind every belief, thought, idea, concept, judgment, defense there is YOU. YOU, brought into this world as a soul, brilliant and beautiful with knowledge, wisdom and understanding and who received conditioning (aka parenting or *education*) that caused the knowing (aka your Truth) to be disguised. It's there. It's never left. It's just been given some heavy duty camafloging and masking with stuff like fears, denial and projection that really, really makes it hard to hear the Truth you know. I know this because it's relative to every single human being on the planet - no exception except maybe saints. They've gotten clear or were brought here to show the Truth to others so that they may recognize it in themselves and wake up. I think really we're all right in the middle of doing just that and peeling away the layers of a lifetime of conditioning and unlearning what is so foreign to our True natures.
So this is actually a kind of religion, with an eternal spirit/soul to be found if pray hard enough/do enough "work".
I've stopped looking for paradise lost. Believing that i could retrieve it, that it had ever existed in this reality, at birth, and could be returned to , made me very miserable. I was just beating myself up permanently cos i was still experiencing " negative" feelings ( well, what they call neg), for which I apparently had no one to blame but myself.
My touchstone/key phrase is out of the film "The Princess Bride";
" Life IS pain, anyone who tells you different is selling something".
In Zen somewhere they say that avoiding/banishing negative feelings/thoughts is like always turning right; you go round in a circle.
I don't believe that I was born with an eternal spirit. I just don't. I believe that if there is anything that could be called "me" it is a shifting mass of loosely associated habits, reactions, etc etc. My "self" is an illusion/mirage. There is NOTHING there. I love thinking that!! !!
( it reminds me of the robin hood plumber in "Brazil", who disappears in the windblown newspaper, and of the invisible man; take off the bandages and.... "nothing", just the visual aspect of it, and what's that other one someone frantically unpacking and unpacking and unpacking, to find nothing in the middle!!
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22 Nov 2007, 10:44 am
22 Nov 2007, 10:46 am
Behind the pain is a soul. You can call you - whatever you wish. I just like to call it soul.
ouinon wrote:
jjstar wrote:
Behind every belief, thought, idea, concept, judgment, defense there is YOU. YOU, brought into this world as a soul, brilliant and beautiful with knowledge, wisdom and understanding and who received conditioning (aka parenting or *education*) that caused the knowing (aka your Truth) to be disguised. It's there. It's never left. It's just been given some heavy duty camafloging and masking with stuff like fears, denial and projection that really, really makes it hard to hear the Truth you know. I know this because it's relative to every single human being on the planet - no exception except maybe saints. They've gotten clear or were brought here to show the Truth to others so that they may recognize it in themselves and wake up. I think really we're all right in the middle of doing just that and peeling away the layers of a lifetime of conditioning and unlearning what is so foreign to our True natures.
So this is actually a kind of religion, with an eternal spirit/soul to be found if pray hard enough/do enough "work".
I've stopped looking for paradise lost. Believing that i could retrieve it, that it had ever existed in this reality, at birth, and could be returned to , made me very miserable. I was just beating myself up permanently cos i was still experiencing " negative" feelings ( well, what they call neg), for which I apparently had no one to blame but myself.
My touchstone/key phrase is out of the film "The Princess Bride";
" Life IS pain, anyone who tells you different is selling something".
In Zen somewhere they say that avoiding/banishing negative feelings/thoughts is like always turning right; you go round in a circle.
I don't believe that I was born with an eternal spirit. I just don't. I believe that if there is anything that could be called "me" it is a shifting mass of loosely associated habits, reactions, etc etc. My "self" is an illusion/mirage. There is nothing there. I love thinking that!! !!
( it reminds me of the robin hood plumber in "Brazil", who disappears in the windblown newspaper, and of the invisible man; take off the bandages and.... "nothing", just the visual aspect of it, and what's that other one someone frantically unpacking and unpacking and unpacking, to find nothing in the middle!!
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22 Nov 2007, 10:57 am
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