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20 Aug 2005, 1:59 pm

aha! in which case, GA's last post DEFINITELY needs to rush off into the mature forum 8O



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20 Aug 2005, 2:04 pm

GalileoAce wrote:
What is this rude..er.. flirting thread of which you speak?

GA


http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php? ... sc&start=0

See ya there ;)


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20 Aug 2005, 5:32 pm

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Well, does anyone enjoy manipulating? I get a kick out of toying with people's minds and making them question everything, doubt themselves and their own actions. It's sort of like a power trip. Anyone?


When I'm really bored, I occasionally enjoy trolling or saying outrageous things (satirical or absurd). I don't really trip on power much because I am a strong advocate of egalitarianism. I dislike hierarchy and am opposed to being bossed around and such.



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20 Aug 2005, 7:18 pm

I have a complete anti-talent for manipulating people. Admittedly, this could be attributed to a lack of IQ, though I rather suspect that much of it derives from a). my manifest inability to 'read' people, plus a distinct disinclination to engage in such games. I know it goes on. I am sometimes perceptive enough to see it going on. Unfortunately, I simply do not possess an aptitude for it, which is one reason why I consistently get 'royally screwed' when manipulation is on the agenda.



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20 Aug 2005, 10:06 pm

pyraxis wrote:
But almost no communication is totally honest. My art school wants students because they can pay money and because as alumnae they might get prestigious jobs which would increase the school's reputation. But of course no professor says that. At a class critique, people don't give their honest opinions, they carefully say one positive thing and then one negative thing. Besides, it's impractical to give all informed decision info - no one would ever get anything done.


I've thought about this for a while.

I think it has to do with understanding what the other person is thinking, or knows, and guessing what is important to them. Otherwise you are right, the conversation would go on and on. But, almost instinctily, I can tell what they might want to know. I've never thought about the process before.

And every school needs money. I think it becomes a balance. Would the teachers accept a totally unqualified student just for the money? Even if they would, it might be okay unless they lie to that student and imply he is good. A moral school makes enouogh to stay open but that isn't its only goal.

I'm not sure that's clear. Its given me a lot to think about.



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20 Aug 2005, 10:52 pm

I am very anti-manipulative, actually. I never even knew until this year that people acted in certain ways in order to influence the actions of others. To me, most people have always seemed very unpredictable and I really have better things to do than try to influence them. When I was little and people accused me of being "manipulative" for having what they called "temper tantrums" (actually sensory or cognitively-induced meltdowns) I had no idea what it even meant.



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23 Aug 2005, 4:53 pm

A good way to find out how manipulative you are is to take the Mach-IV test of Machiavellianism. It weighs people on a scale from 0 to 100 on 20 questions as either low Machs or high Machs. I am a low Mach; I scored 46/100.

http://www.salon.com/books/it/1999/09/13/machtest/



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23 Aug 2005, 5:24 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
A good way to find out how manipulative you are is to take the Mach-IV test of Machiavellianism. It weighs people on a scale from 0 to 100 on 20 questions as either low Machs or high Machs. I am a low Mach; I scored 46/100.

http://www.salon.com/books/it/1999/09/13/machtest/


The Machiavelli personality test has a range of 0-100
Your Machiavelli score is: 69
You are a high Mach, you endorse Machiavelli's opinions.
Most people fall somewhere in the middle, but there's a significant minority at either extreme.

Here is my score. If I did not subscribe to a high moral guideline I could hit 95.


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23 Aug 2005, 9:50 pm

35, what does this measure?


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23 Aug 2005, 9:56 pm

Weid Name's Test Thingy wrote:
17) P.T. Barnum was wrong when he said that there's a sucker born every minute.


P.T. Barnum never actually said that. His first rival did if I remember correctly.


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