Communication styles intrinsic to aspergers?

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talitha_kumi
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28 Nov 2007, 7:27 am

Inventor: Thank you for explaining your comment. I apologise for misunderstanding you. I am not good at picking up on humour. I rarely understand jokes unless they're pointed out to me.

My own writing style is very indirect - I acknowledge that - and I'm sorry if I confused you with my original post. I have a tendency to overelaborate my reasons for saying/asking things, for fear of being misunderstood. I think it's an overreaction of mine to having blindsided people with unexpected questions as a child - I've learned the habit of providing as much context as possible of my thoughts before actually asking the question so that people can understand why I'm asking and wont just laugh at me.

I have noticed in myself a tendency to re-use parables, phrases and proverbs in my speech in an attempt to make connections with other people. Where words fail to express what I am actually thinking, I rely on a stock phrase to try and convey something close to my meaning in the hope that others will know the phrase and be able to understand what I mean. It drives my psychiatrist mad sometimes when I do that!

I loved your description of "It was great to learn that it was not just me, that you are all weird." I think I will have to steal that. I love the idea of aspies feeling free to be wierd together. I think that's why WP feels so much like home to me.



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28 Nov 2007, 8:07 am

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and manifests in traits like verbosity and pedantry (like my post here)

I don't find you verbose or pedantic at all. :D


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28 Nov 2007, 8:53 am

wow, this is a wonderful thread, and i agree with almost everything. :D
I remember i thought exactly the same thing the first times i came on here; about people talking to themselves, or into the air. After 3 months of trying to fit in on an NT site it felt odd. But it's so what i like, none of the henpecking bird heirarchy stuff.
I also like how people don't tend to speak to other posters as if talking to an individual person except on rareish occasions, but instead look at individual idea/data/contribution. After all "personality" is what exactly? Some kind of illusion ! Replying as NTs, on NT sites, seem to do, to "people" as personalities ( in a sport of social response) , and it being an important part of the communication to have a consistent "personality style" feels oppressive to me.
The space to just speak without people taking it personally. Just explore without people thinking you're attacking them or laying down the law. The space to experiment with ideas and ask searching questions without people thinking you're criticising them. Most of the time anyway!! :lol:
And love how can speak in my normal language rather than having to restrain my use of vocabulary and talk in short easy sentences, in words of two syllables, because the NTs found my language use " offputting" , or "like reading an advanced textbook on psychology" and " a bit much to understand", and thought i should "get outdoors into the sun and have fun , relax , stop thinking so much" etc.
This site is WONDERFUL. :) :D :)
And the difference in post style is a huge part of its wonderfulness! :D

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28 Nov 2007, 9:23 am

Guilty as charged!

Trouble is, I tend to post the same way on all the other forums I am on.

I would imagine that I am just as oblivious to the social cues in netiquette as I am in real life, & I'm sure I just "blunder in" by posting on random threads out of the blue.

I also tend to provide factual information when people ask questions to which I know the answer. But I have only once got to know someone in person from any of these boards.



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28 Nov 2007, 10:19 am

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I was diagnosed by a Minister in 1953, as Demonic Posession,...


Ah, so the truth comes out... :twisted:

Yes, we definitely need more diagnoses by people with letters after their name. :wink:


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28 Nov 2007, 11:54 am

I like this thread. It makes me happy.

talitha_kumi wrote:
I loved your description of "It was great to learn that it was not just me, that you are all weird." I think I will have to steal that. I love the idea of aspies feeling free to be wierd together. I think that's why WP feels so much like home to me.


Yes, I agree. That's also why I like it here, and also why I like the psytrance community that I've found a home with here in Asheville. Being weird isn't just socially acceptable to those cats - it's practically a social imperative.

ouinon wrote:
And love how can speak in my normal language rather than having to restrain my use of vocabulary and talk in short easy sentences, in words of two syllables, because the NTs found my language use " offputting" , or "like reading an advanced textbook on psychology" and " a bit much to understand", and thought i should "get outdoors into the sun and have fun , relax , stop thinking so much" etc.


100% agreed here as well. I've been sincerely accused before of using a thesaurus to "sound smart".

For using the word "comprises".

I wish I was making that up.



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28 Nov 2007, 12:40 pm

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I've been sincerely accused before of using a thesaurus to "sound smart".

For using the word "comprises".

I wish I was making that up.


8O WOW, what did you say? Was the accuser a native english speaker?



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28 Nov 2007, 1:00 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
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I've been sincerely accused before of using a thesaurus to "sound smart".

For using the word "comprises".

I wish I was making that up.


8O WOW, what did you say? Was the accuser a native english speaker?


All the kinds of things that I usually say. It was a forum debate, so I was calling out some people on using logical fallacies and such, but other than that, my diction in that instance was pretty much exactly the same that you're using here.

I actually found the conversation in question. The responder is pretty clearly a native English speaker.

Me:
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"God, I love American anti-intellectualism. Only here would it be considered even remotely cogent to accuse two demonstrably intelligent people who use correct grammar, complex sentences, and advanced diction in expressing themselves of having clearly engaged in homosexual conduct together."


Him:
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"Copy pasting words out of the thesaurus while dodging the points raised against you does not an argument make. You attempt to pull out some flowery statements to try and FUD the people you're arguing against when in reality, your flowery statements lack substance."


Me:
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"You have no idea how many times I'm accused of this. It's getting to be a little amusing, especially since the most arcane word I used in the quoted paragraph is "diction", or maybe "cogent." "Anti-intellectualism" and "demonstrably" might be a bit sesquipedalian (hehe), but I don't think that they quite qualify as "five-dollar words" that warrant accusing someone of being hoity-toity.

I don't use a thesaurus when I post - I spellcheck, but I don't use a thesaurus. This is my natural level of vocabulary. I'm sorry if that bothers you.

What you're accusing me of, by the way, is called "argumentum verbosium", or "Proof by Verbosity"."



I was deliberately using obscure words in my reply here. :P



Here's another one:

Him:
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First off... put the Thesaurus away, you're making an ass of yourself. You're in college. We get it. Don't care. 101 doesn't make you better than anyone else here. I know you feel special, but stop.


Me:
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I don't even own a paper thesaurus. This is my usual level of vocabulary. I'm also 27. I haven't been in college for over half a decade.

You seem to be quite good at making incorrect assumptions.


Him:
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is that how you talk when you buy Bar S hot dogs at wal-mart?


Me:
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The last time I did so and I found myself in a debate with the cashier about particle physics, and discovered that they knew nothing about it at all and were just making stuff up so they can participate in the discussion and look knowledgable simply by virtue of having an opinion, yes.

Other than that, I just ask them for a hot dog. I don't know any particularly big words for "hot dog".



Like I said - it's really quite common.



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28 Nov 2007, 1:23 pm

My (ex) wife used to have to remind me to remember that I was a hellava lot smarter than other people. I would remind you that you seem to be dealing with some educationally challenged people on that other forum. :)


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28 Nov 2007, 1:27 pm

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I would remind you that you seem to be dealing with some educationally challenged people on that other forum. :)


It was the WoW forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.



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28 Nov 2007, 2:22 pm

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MrMark wrote:
I would remind you that you seem to be dealing with some educationally challenged people on that other forum. :)


It was the WoW forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Nice people doing nice things, huh? :wink:


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28 Nov 2007, 2:27 pm

MrMark wrote:
Myrkabah wrote:
It was the WoW forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Nice people doing nice things, huh? :wink:


More like yet another example of the incontrovertible nature of John Gabriel's Greater Internet ****wad Theory. :P



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08 Dec 2007, 12:15 pm

I love this thread.
I love that Myrkabah quoted my favorite line from "Star Wars", and that it was appropriate.
I love that the guy from the WoW forum used the phrase "flowery statements" twice in one sentence :lol: